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Hax Removal from Alien X (Ben 10)

ShionAH

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This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".
  • Power Bestowal (Ben does not need oxygen in the pocket dimension after his transformation into Alien X.)
Pretty sure this is because Ben is literally a counciousness there, I dont think he is actually flying in space physically. He wouldnt even be able to speak if that was the case
I think the Aura needs some sort of use to be used, it doesnt fit any of the types afterall. It is also not Light Manipulation
Hive mind is more of an natural thing a character has, we dont give it to everyone who can duplicate (Ex: Bill Cipher)
Its a layer, he didnt remove the resistance he went through it
"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."
That is NOT Spatial Manipulation, even if its REALLY limited

Thats all
 
ShionAH said:
This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".
  • Power Bestowal (Ben does not need oxygen in the pocket dimension after his transformation into Alien X.)
Pretty sure this is because Ben is literally a counciousness there, I dont think he is actually flying in space physically. He wouldnt even be able to speak if that was the case
I think the Aura needs some sort of use to be used, it doesnt fit any of the types afterall. It is also not Light Manipulation
Hive mind is more of an natural thing a character has, we dont give it to everyone who can duplicate (Ex: Bill Cipher)
Its a layer, he didnt remove the resistance he went through it
"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."
That is NOT Spatial Manipulation, even if its REALLY limited

Thats all
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Everything looks reasonable.
 
ShionAH said:
It is also not Light Manipulation
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Why isn't it? The fact that he could create light or brightness while flying, I believe that alone is sufficient to qualify him for such an ability (Light Mani). Moreover, he demonstrated it again when attempting to pull the Galactic Gladiator into the black hole.

ShionAH said:
That is NOT Spatial Manipulation, even if its REALLY limited
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So, how about changing it to 'Limited' instead of removing it?

ShionAH said:
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I agree that this shouldn't be listed separately. However, what do you think about changing it to be a sub of 'Creation Ability,' something like this, to specify what has been created and to make it similar to this.
  • Creation(...)
    • Limited Soul Manipulation (..)
    • Life Manipulation (...)
    • Energy Manipulation (...)
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ShionAH said:
Resistance Negation against Technology Manipulation (Can bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation)
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But this will still remain, right?
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I agree with the rest.
 
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ShionAH said:
This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".
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This isn't about "manipulating mana" it's about "changing the fundamental of mana". Dwayne McDuffie literally says that Celestialsapiens are able to change the nature of mana.
 
Robo432343 said:
dwayne mcduffie said gwen is tier 0 are u gonna believe that now
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Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show, but rather it agreed with what we see in the show, as in the OV it was mentioned that Celestialsapiens changed the universe, and we see that this also affected mana, as even the realm of mana was affected.
 
I'd keep aura. Even if it's useless and dogshit, it do be a thing. It doesn't inherently have to fit under a specific thing, can just be flashy color, might have use somewhere even if it's omega niche.

Also goes withou saying his creation would need to be reworded to include all that if we're throwing it all under that given creating life and souls kinda relevant.
 
ShionAH said:
"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."
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You missed this bro, you need to remove these two hax:
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The main reason he has these two hax is creation
REX9097 said:
Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show, but rather it agreed with what we see in the show, as in the OV it was mentioned that Celestialsapiens changed the universe, and we see that this also affected mana, as even the realm of mana was affected.
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"Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show" that doesn't matter pal

Author statements will only be accepted when they clarify what has been shown or implied in the series itself, and will be rejected when they contradict what has been shown to the audience. Statements that technically do not contradict anything shown in the series will still be rejected if there is no evidence that they are accurate.
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Aolphl said:
You missed this bro, you need to remove these two hax:

The main reason he has these two hax is creation
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The first “Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe.” is that establishing different laws for each universe is literally a Law Manip. Secondly, it can be compared to mana, which creates an entire dimension with different rules.
Aolphl said:
"Dwayne's statement did not contradict the show" that doesn't matter pal
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Author statements will only be accepted when they clarify what has been shown or implied in the series itself, and will be rejected when they contradict what has been shown to the audience. Statements that technically do not contradict anything shown in the series will still be rejected if there is no evidence that they are accurate.
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This is proven in the show, for example: In the UA, if Alphe Ruan are outside the Legerdomain, the Legerdomain would be destroyed, but in the OV, AN was outside the Legerdomain and nothing happened, and this is because the Celestialsapiens changed everything in the show, and this is confirmed in the show and confirmed by WOG.
 
REX9097 said:
The first “Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe.” is that establishing different laws for each universe is literally a Law Manip.
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No reason for this
REX9097 said:
Secondly, it can be compared to mana, which creates an entire dimension with different rules.
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Again, no reason for this
REX9097 said:
and this is because the Celestialsapiens changed everything in the show,
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No proof for this.

Whatever you say, this crt already accepted by 5 staff, so arguing in here is doesn't matter
 
ShionAH said:
Information Manipulation (Type 2; Alien X can change/manipulate mana, which is fundamental of the universe and can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims and change reality, laws, data, dimensions, causality and history, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality.)
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The fact that Ben was able to recreate the universe with Ledgerdomain in it, which is literally made of Mana, as well as CS warping it every time they changed
ShionAH said:
Pretty sure this is because Ben is literally a counciousness there, I dont think he is actually flying in space physically.
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He literally is, as Paradox was able to go physically in there, otherwise, he wouldn't be able to do it.
 
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ShionAH said:
"In case of creation of large and varied objects, such as planets, galaxies and universes, one should just list creation as ability without listing separate abilities for each created object. For example, while creation of a galaxy likely includes creation of black holes, Black Hole Creation should not be listed separately."
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Once again, recreating and warping Ledgerdomain would be exactly the same and better, as well as the Alpha Rune.
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Everything looks reasonable.
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AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Seems fine to me
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LordGriffin1000 said:
All these removals look fine,
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Maverick_Zero_X said:
Agree with the removals.
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Planck69 said:
Yeah, removals make sense here.
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All these P&A didn't need a removal, but a better justification. And if people waited for knowledable members before making a votre, this wouldn't even be a discussion at all.
 
These look mostly fine but I disagree with the life, energy and soul removal.
The creation page only outlines astronomical objects.
It doesn't (at least, doesn't clarify enough that it does) envelope life and souls and energy so I disagree with that.
There's no reason for that
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Once again, recreating and warping Ledgerdomain would be exactly the same and better, as well as the Alpha Rune.

All these P&A didn't need a removal, but a better justification. And if people waited for knowledable members before making a votre, this wouldn't even be a discussion at all.
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Then apart from creation/info manip since you already commented on that what would the better justifications be?
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
This can be closed, the edits seem to have been applied a few days ago.
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He's saying that the abilities were prematurely removed and that he can provide better justifications. Might as well deal with it here and have any potentially ensuing debate here rather than another thread if that is the case.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Then apart from creation/info manip since you already commented on that what would the better justifications be?
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Those would be my main points, it should be something like:

Information Manipulation: Recreated Ledgerdomain, a place directly made of mana, which is [...]. The Celestialsaoiens chance the Universe numerous times, which includes places made of Mana."
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Those would be my main points, it should be something like:

Information Manipulation: Recreated Ledgerdomain, a place directly made of mana, which is [...]. The Celestialsaoiens chance the Universe numerous times, which includes places made of Mana."
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So I'm assuming you're only going to be arguing for info manip?

Should be fine if that's the reworked justification
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
So I'm assuming you're only going to be arguing for info manip?

Should be fine if that's the reworked justification
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Yes, and for Soul, life and energy Manip. It would be the same as Info Manip.

"Can recreate Ledgerdomain, a place made entirely of Mana. Celestialsapiens change the universe all the time, including Ledgerdomain."
 
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