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Haru Glory revisions

Haru can seal magic with Runesave, it ignores coventional durability by sealing the magic, he sealed Etherion with it, which is constantly stated to be strong enough to end the world

That doesn't mean Planet level AP
 
Yeah of course but I was just noting that he had some planet level stuff a while back. I wasn't a member back then but I think that was the reasoning on why it got removed in the first place.
 
I don't know if this was said earlier, but Haru should be giving experienced hand to hand combatant since he got into a lot of fights before he got the Ten Commandments and even in chapter 5 he could be seen fighting perfectly fine without a sword.
 
So, after reading the final battle of the manga, here's how the God Tier Scaling Goes

1. Etherion (Stated to be stronger than Overdrive, the only thing that can stop Overdrive, sated to at full power to be able to destroy the world, however in Rave Master, destroying the world has always mean't Life Wiping)

2. Overdrive (A suicide attack of Endless that will "Destroy the World", the first one was also stated to destroy the world, but it means only Lifewiping since the planet was still around after the first Overdrive, and that was considered the world ending, basically end of humanity)

3. Haru (Beat Lucia in a one on one. Strongest Normal AP Character)

4. Lucia/Endless (Scales to Endless's normal AP due to fusing with Endless)

5. Elie (Can control Etherion and use it's power, but never uses it at full power, or else she'll destroy the planet, so she constantly holds back until she uses it against Overdrive, which is why she is normally when using magic, weaker than Haru. Etherion also doesn't scale to her durability)

6. Shakuma Raregroove (World's Greatest Mage, Basically the first August, fought on par with Elie who was using Etherion)

7. Asura of Darkness (Gave Haru a good fight, has all the darkbrings)

8. Dragon Form Let (Stomped Uta who was a strong Demon)

9. Shuda (Beat Megido)

10. Megido/Uta (Both seem to be the same strength and are very strong)

This seems to be the best scaling we have
 
Alright, good to know

Also, for Haru, Lucia, and Endless, the scaling would be Haru>Lucia+Endless>Endless right?
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
No, Overdrive was what Endless was gonna use to end the world, and it took mega preptime and the only thing that could stop it was Etherion, there is absolutely no statement about Lucia being even remotely comparable to Overdrive, all that is said is that he is using Endless's power, if his AP normally scaled to overdive, he could have just ended the world himself

Also 5-B Haru and Lucia is pretty wank
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Lucia scale to 1st overdrive which destroy the 1/10 of the world.and It's didn't take any prep either
 
Actually wasn't the first Overdrive heavily weakened by Shiba after he attacked Sinclair? I read a scan a couple days ago saying that the first Overdrive would have destroyed the world if it's power was at max, but it only had 1/10th of it's potential destructive force because Shiba weakened it by damaging the Sinclair. So saying that Overdrive can't do proper planet busting based off of the fact that the planet is still around after the first overdrive even though it's stated that it was heavily weakened and couldn't do what it was suppossed to do is a slightly flimsy argument. And when was it ever stated that the first one destroyed the world?
 
FrenchStephy said:
Well, the 2 calcs use the same steps and methods of calculation. The only difference is that the first one tries to scale the ship size to find the cut depth while the other directly uses the official length of the ship. But it always better to have staff input so I'll put in a blog soon.

Yeah, rage power is everywhere in Rave lol. Even Elie has it.

I thought he already had spatial manip since the db he used, Sinclaire was already on Lucia's page on the notable attacks/techniques section but yeah it needs to be added.

Speaking of Sinclaire, I noticed something while I was rereading the manga. EoS Lucia (and Haru) scale to Endless, who supposedly destroyed 1/10th of the planet with Overdrive... but the original Overdrive was caused by the Mother Dark Bring Sinclaire (Sinclaire is the name given to the 5 Mother DB when they were one but also the name of the Mother DB that Lucia has) and not Endless. We also know that this Overdrive was heavily weakened by Shiba's attack on Sinclaire. Endless' Overdrive seems to hold the same power as the original one but it needs prep time so I'm not really sure if we should scale them to the original overdrive.
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This right here.
 
@1997KD

Where's the evidence that the first Overdrive scales to Haru and Lucia at all, it is never stated, and it's literally said that the Overdrive takes time and that it will kill everyone, Endless included, just because Lucia fuses with Endless's power, that does not mean he scales to Overdrive, I need one piece of proof from the manga that they scale to Overdrive

Because the only reason I see is that the OBD says they do, which is not supported by anything
 
Lucia with endless>1st overdrive, not the final one,IIRC it happens because shuda try to destroy mother dark bring with 10C
 
So do the rest of you agree with the scaling suggested in the first post of this thread?
 
@Ant we agreed with the abilities, but I think the consensus atm is that the verse needs to be overhauled in regards to feats and scaling, so we probably can't apply the scaling in the OP right now.

I can add the abilities later in the day when I'm free
 
1997KD

Yeah no, you still haven't proved anything, Endless was gonna destroy the world with Overdrive which takes prep time and was gonna kill Endless as well, so it doesn't scale to his normal AP or Durability, if Endless and Lucia could just destroy the planet on their own, why not just do so, why would they even need Overdrive, also there are still no statements about them being stronger than the first Overdrive with their own AP at all, once again, everytime they say their gonna destroy the world, it's theough Overdrive, which Haru and Lucia don't scale too
 
Luica was going to survive it, that's why he want elie on her side to restart humanity, it's wasn't a suicide attack, and the prep need to make endless, that attack was going to destroy the world in an instand(as lucia said)
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
1997KD why not just do so, why would they even need Overdrive, also there are still no statements about them being stronger than the first Overdrive with their own AP at all, once again, everytime they say their gonna destroy the world, it's theough Overdrive, which Haru and Lucia don't scale too
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It's same as Animus absorb Dragon cry, then use it power to create thise magic circle to destroy ishgar, instead of just use his dragon roar amped by Dragon cry staff. The difference is Instead of multiple attack like Animus, Lucia was going to destroy it with one attack.

Also base lucia didn't scale to Endless. neither he is high 6-B in base. He is High6-b in endless form and haru scale to endless Lucia.

Endless fuse lucia is easily above the 1st overdrive. Endless was the one who is creating the overdrive.
 
@1997KD

1. Overdrive was being charged up by Endless for the whole final battle, for about 30 chapters, only when it was fully prepared would it be released, and when It was released, then it would destroy the world instantly, but it still takes a lot of charge time to be finished, that's what the whole final battle was about, stopping Endless before he could finish charging Overdrive

2. Yes, Lucia should scale to Endless, there is no doubt about that, he fully states that he has his power and is as strong as him... that does not mean he scales to the Overdrive, if he did scale to Overdrive, then there would be no need at all for Endless to Charge it, Lucia would just immediately destroy the world on his own, but he stated that he needed Overdrive to destroy the world

3. it's literally stated that Overdrive will destroy Endless himself along with everything else, so if Endless can't tank Overdrive and can't destroy the world without Overdrive, then Lucia doesn't scale to Overdrive at all
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Haru and Lucia have no evidence to scale them to Overdrive, only Elie with Full Power Etherion would scale since Etherion is stated to be stronger than Overdrive at full power
 
On the matter of Endless, Lucia and Haru and what they should scale to; I've been reading the series and it turns out the original overdrive wasn't actually at full power.

According to Shakuma; Lucia's grandfather and the original instigator of the Raregroove/Symphonia war, overdrive was supposed to be far more powerful than what it ended up. According to him overdrive was supposed to completely destroy the planet but RAVE reduced its power when Shiba struck it, reducing its intended blast to something so "pathetically weak".

So yeah, I don't know what we should scale them all to but it's clear that the original overdrive definitely isn't the real upper limits of Endless' power
 
Okay, maybe "Possibly 5-B" or "Likely 5-B" then?
 
I mean if we do use "5B" in any capacity it'll be for both overdrive and Etherion both weapons explicitly and consistently stated to be able to destroy the planet multiple times. A pathetically weak overdrive was able to decimate two nations and caused a continent/country spanning weather phenomena that lasted 50 years as a side effect.

Just releasing a fraction of Etherion's power dispersed said phenomena, Endless is explicitly stated to be some sort of cosmic reaction to messing with time, whose only reason for existing is to make sure that Earth is destroyed so as to rectify the changes in history and it's true form is basically a bomb that can only go off once- meaning it has to carry out its intended effect. And etherion is supposed to be the only thing mightier than it.

TLDR; I'm of the impression that 5B should be fine for a fully powered overdrive and etherion. But as for Haru, Lucia and an incomplete Endless I am unsure where they should fall, I'd argue we should scale them to the "incomplete overdrive" but that's just me
 
Okay. That seems to make sense.
 
So Etherion and Endless should both be 5-B at full power then?
 
Overdrive and Etherion at full power are 5-B, no doubt about that, but Haru, Lucia, and Endless's normal AP and Durability don't scale to that, Overdrive took prep time and it was gonna kill everyone including Endless himself

If Haru and Lucia had 5-B Ap and Durability normally, there'd be no need for Overdrive, so only Etherion and Overdrive (Not Endless himself) scale to 5-B
 
Okay. That seems fine then.
 
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