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Starting 2023 on a controversial note
Naruto Speed Discussion
Shippuden
Itachi
Itachi’s Mangekyo Sharingan via his Tsukuyomi should get at least Light Speed perception
This is because, the tsukuyomi is capable of trapping those who move at the speed of light
There's another Justification for this in the next section
=SOL perception
Hebi Sasuke
Gets Speed of Light Attack Speed via Kirin
Which was stated in the databooks to be the speed of light
Yeah I know, there are contentions with it
So let's get it over with
"Kirin is your regular CTG lightning".
That is indeed true but becomes false to an extent.
Zetsu's statement and description was in complete reference to the creation of Lighting without usage of chakra that in turn grants benefits such as being in an enormous scale that Shinobi cannot replicate by using chakra to create it.
In theory, when this lighting is created without chakra usage, said Lighting cannot heed the bidding of a Shinobi as they need chakra to directly manipulate. Hence it's only logical that Sasuke imbued said Natural Lighting with his own Chakra in order to freely manipulate the lighting. Zetsu also notified Sasuke "tamed" the lighting. Such can only be achieved via chakra imbuing.
To solidify this "theory", Sasuke stated "This Jutsu Guide The Lighting...". Direct implication of this statement is the fact that he uses a Jutsu (which always involves Chakra) to directly control the Lighting. It is this Jutsu that is known as "Kirin '' and not the natural lighting formed. In other words, the natural lighting formed cannot be Kirin without Sasuke manipulating it with his Chakra which can in turn alter its Speed.
"But Zetsu said....."
Aside from the controversy or fact of Zetsu being an unreliable source, it should be clarified that Zetsu only made his statement in reference to natural lighting and didn't and couldn't account for the boost that may come from Sasuke imbuing it with his chakra. For simplicity, Zetsu stated the speed of Natural Lighting and not Kirin. It's previously explained above how the Natural Lighting differs from when it is converted to Kirin.
Sasuke himself didn't say anything concrete either
Other than it's faster and more potent than anything he knows of
Which brings me to my next point
Lore wise, Teen kakashi is famed to be able to react to a CTG lightning and cut it in the same vein
Whether or not the calc makes him lightning speed is actually irrelevant
The point is that he can react to lightning
3T Itachi was more or less relative to a stronger kakashi
Add the MS on top
And Sasuke should be well aware of Itachi's speed since he just fought him
There's no way he thought that a CTG lightning which teen kakashi could take action against would blitz MS Itachi
Unless people believe Teen Kakashi with just a sharingan has better reactions than Itachi with Mangekyo
There's also the small matter of adult kakashi intercepting an attack that was described to be a lightning bolt
Hope you get the point
War Arc Sasuke
Via the EMS, he now has access to Itachi's ocular prowess. That should grant him itachi level perception speed
=Light speed or FTL perception for Sasuke
New Era
Kakashi
In Kakashi Retsuden, Kakashi was able to utilize a jutsu that moves at the speed of a flash of light
=SoL attack speed
Naruto (Base)
In Naruto Retsuden, a sick Naruto was stated to be able to naturally react to photon beams
While there's no depiction of a distance to get a calculation for it, the statement "naturally" should imply that Naruto in base should have at least light speed reflexes
=At least Light Speed
Orochimaru
Orochimaru was able to become FTE to base Naruto's perception
-=FTL/Rel (Depending on the outcome of Naruto’s stuff)
Konohanaru has an accepted sub rel calc. Those who scale would be discussed here
Konohamaru(New Era)
For Obvious Reasons
Ao
Could keep up in combat with Konohamaru
Victor
Could blitz Konohamaru
As an inner, he should be above the likes of Ao
Sarada
Could react to and combat Ao
Mitsuki(Base)
Could react to and combat Ao
Boruto(Base)
Could react to and combat Ao
Deepa
Could keep up with Team 7 at once without any issues
As an inner, he should be above the likes of Ao
Sakura(New Era)
Could keep up with sharingan activated Sarada easily
Shin
Could keep up in combat with Sakura
Boro
Could keep up with members of Team 7 in combat
As an inner, he should be above the likes of Ao
Kawaki(Base)
Should be comparable to the rest of Team 7
ChoCho(Butterfly Mode}
Could fight against chidori amped Sarada
FYI: For the new era characters, these characters are the ones i could remember
If you believe anyone else should scale, do mention it
Agree: @karzen @45Saef @Excel616 @The_Alxhemist @narutosage15 @GokuSparkle @Tdjwo @Godernet ("possibly" rating) @theultimate5105 ("possibly" rating) @Mori @Tomboy11 @Hasty12345 ("possibly" rating) @Arc7Kuroi ("possibly" rating) @Deceived3596 ("possibly" rating) @GTsek @Shadowbokunohero @DemonGodMitchAubin @ImmortalDread @Milly_Rocking_Bandit @DarkDragonMedeus @Halkum145 @theultimate5105
Neutral: @LordTracer
Disagree: @Damage3245
Starting 2023 on a controversial note
Naruto Speed Discussion
Shippuden
Itachi
Itachi’s Mangekyo Sharingan via his Tsukuyomi should get at least Light Speed perception
This is because, the tsukuyomi is capable of trapping those who move at the speed of light
There's another Justification for this in the next section
=SOL perception
Hebi Sasuke
Gets Speed of Light Attack Speed via Kirin
Which was stated in the databooks to be the speed of light
Yeah I know, there are contentions with it
So let's get it over with
"Kirin is your regular CTG lightning".
That is indeed true but becomes false to an extent.
Zetsu's statement and description was in complete reference to the creation of Lighting without usage of chakra that in turn grants benefits such as being in an enormous scale that Shinobi cannot replicate by using chakra to create it.
In theory, when this lighting is created without chakra usage, said Lighting cannot heed the bidding of a Shinobi as they need chakra to directly manipulate. Hence it's only logical that Sasuke imbued said Natural Lighting with his own Chakra in order to freely manipulate the lighting. Zetsu also notified Sasuke "tamed" the lighting. Such can only be achieved via chakra imbuing.
To solidify this "theory", Sasuke stated "This Jutsu Guide The Lighting...". Direct implication of this statement is the fact that he uses a Jutsu (which always involves Chakra) to directly control the Lighting. It is this Jutsu that is known as "Kirin '' and not the natural lighting formed. In other words, the natural lighting formed cannot be Kirin without Sasuke manipulating it with his Chakra which can in turn alter its Speed.
"But Zetsu said....."
Aside from the controversy or fact of Zetsu being an unreliable source, it should be clarified that Zetsu only made his statement in reference to natural lighting and didn't and couldn't account for the boost that may come from Sasuke imbuing it with his chakra. For simplicity, Zetsu stated the speed of Natural Lighting and not Kirin. It's previously explained above how the Natural Lighting differs from when it is converted to Kirin.
Sasuke himself didn't say anything concrete either
Other than it's faster and more potent than anything he knows of
Which brings me to my next point
Lore wise, Teen kakashi is famed to be able to react to a CTG lightning and cut it in the same vein
Whether or not the calc makes him lightning speed is actually irrelevant
The point is that he can react to lightning
3T Itachi was more or less relative to a stronger kakashi
Add the MS on top
And Sasuke should be well aware of Itachi's speed since he just fought him
There's no way he thought that a CTG lightning which teen kakashi could take action against would blitz MS Itachi
Unless people believe Teen Kakashi with just a sharingan has better reactions than Itachi with Mangekyo
There's also the small matter of adult kakashi intercepting an attack that was described to be a lightning bolt
Hope you get the point
War Arc Sasuke
Via the EMS, he now has access to Itachi's ocular prowess. That should grant him itachi level perception speed
=Light speed or FTL perception for Sasuke
New Era
=SoL attack speed
In Naruto Retsuden, a sick Naruto was stated to be able to naturally react to photon beams
While there's no depiction of a distance to get a calculation for it, the statement "naturally" should imply that Naruto in base should have at least light speed reflexes
=At least Light Speed
Orochimaru
Orochimaru was able to become FTE to base Naruto's perception
-=FTL/Rel (Depending on the outcome of Naruto’s stuff)
Konohanaru has an accepted sub rel calc. Those who scale would be discussed here
Konohamaru(New Era)
For Obvious Reasons
Ao
Could keep up in combat with Konohamaru
Victor
Could blitz Konohamaru
As an inner, he should be above the likes of Ao
Sarada
Could react to and combat Ao
Mitsuki(Base)
Could react to and combat Ao
Boruto(Base)
Could react to and combat Ao
Deepa
Could keep up with Team 7 at once without any issues
As an inner, he should be above the likes of Ao
Sakura(New Era)
Could keep up with sharingan activated Sarada easily
Shin
Could keep up in combat with Sakura
Boro
Could keep up with members of Team 7 in combat
As an inner, he should be above the likes of Ao
Kawaki(Base)
Should be comparable to the rest of Team 7
ChoCho(Butterfly Mode}
Could fight against chidori amped Sarada
FYI: For the new era characters, these characters are the ones i could remember
If you believe anyone else should scale, do mention it
Agree: @karzen @45Saef @Excel616 @The_Alxhemist @narutosage15 @GokuSparkle @Tdjwo @Godernet ("possibly" rating) @theultimate5105 ("possibly" rating) @Mori @Tomboy11 @Hasty12345 ("possibly" rating) @Arc7Kuroi ("possibly" rating) @Deceived3596 ("possibly" rating) @GTsek @Shadowbokunohero @DemonGodMitchAubin @ImmortalDread @Milly_Rocking_Bandit @DarkDragonMedeus @Halkum145 @theultimate5105
Neutral: @LordTracer
Disagree: @Damage3245
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