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Well, the thing about Sai being baseline 1-A or High 1-B doesn't count as a thing. That would make him pretty powerful, but I don't think he will be able to beat the three eyed "god"... but also we come to The Law of Identity saying that he won't die by any mean. The tie flag rises again.Bobsican said:
Just one question... what do you think of the rating: The Creator> TLOI> Azzy ? I'm just curious.Wokistan said:I don't think you get why Azathoth is where he's at. Stuff like that is only part of the CM cosmology. Ask Don'tTalk about Akuto I guess, he made the file.
It is.Wokistan said:I think rating tier 0s is a fruitless endeavor
That's the issue, though. Debating between super high-end 1-As, High 1-As, and 0s is inherently pointless unless they're from the same verse.Anonimaço said:It would be nice if experienced users in these three verses (and these three characters) debated about it...
Azzy wins easily, he can just nuke the profiles of The Creator and TLOI and leave only himselfAnonimaço said:Just one question... what do you think of the rating: The Creator> TLOI> Azzy ? I'm just curious.
Thank you. This is why I never understood Akuto sai's or Featherine's ratings here.Warren Valion said:I still feel like Akuto's reasoning sounds wanked.
The infinite hierarchy of stories sounds more like High 1-B to me as nothing in the description makes it 1-A. Only if Akuto Sai transcending the hierarchy would he be just baseline 1-A.
TLoI would be 1 level of transcendence higher.
The problem with Akuto Sai is that his infinite hierarchy doesn't seem like it should be considered 1-A, as there is nothing in his description to assume as such. Featherine, on the other hand, is different. Her franchise does have infinite levels of outerversal transcendence. It all stems from Umineko's cosmology. There are infinite layers with a Reality-Fiction difference.Salutextm said:Thank you. This is why I never understood Akuto sai's or Featherine's ratings here.
Literally their high ends is transcend an infinite heiarchy which said heiarchy is High 1-B. Transcending an infinite heiarchy is literally just Baseline 1-A, yet the wiki rates Akuto sai as 1-A/High 1-A and Featherine at High 1-A for example. That's crazy imo.
Honestly, Hajun should 100% stomp unless someone is legitmately willing to post evidence of Akuto being that far above baseline
There's nothing proving that it is outerversal though, that's the problem. The infinite hierarchy is seemingly higher dimensions, not outerversal levels.Bobsican said:Oh, now I see what you got wrong.
Simply put, the hierarchy includes other just like Akuto himself, who can also edit and make stories as they please, which leads to even more writers, then more writers and so on forever, leading to at least about an infinite hierarchy that contains an infinitely infinite (basically squared infinite) outerversal hierarchy he trascends, which is comparable to Umineko because of that.
It isn´t an infinite dimensional hierarchy, it´s an infinite OUTERVERSAL hierarchy, in other words, they trascend an infinite amount of 1-As that trascend other 1-As and so on.Salutextm said:Both characters are above what's explictly depicted as an infinite dimensional heiarchy. That's...baseline.
I linked the series's cosmology page, gave a simple explanation on said cosmology, and showed an image of the hierarchy being explained and then simplifying it to show that it is, in fact, an outerversal hierarchy, and not just a dimensional one - unlike seemingly Akuto's.Salutextm said:Scans if you don't mind?
Both characters are above what's explictly depicted as an infinite dimensional heiarchy. That's...baseline.
If Hajun really is that far into 1-A, then he would win against both.
You linked a "cosmology" page and a non-offical image that's outdated which also does not at all prove there's an "infinite outerversal heirachy". Hello? That's why I asked If you could possibly post scans to prove these claims. It's not a outerversal heiarchy, it's a dimensional one. Lambdadelta herself literally says this. Akuto's heiarchy would be the exact the same thing. Which means transcending it (which is all Akuto Sai and Featherine did), would be baseline 1A, nowhere near high 1-A.Warren Valion said:I linked the series's cosmology page, gave a simple explanation on said cosmology, and showed an image of the hierarchy being explained and then simplifying it to show that it is, in fact, an outerversal hierarchy, and not just a dimensional one - unlike seemingly Akuto's.Salutextm said:Scans if you don't mind?
Both characters are above what's explictly depicted as an infinite dimensional heiarchy. That's...baseline.
If Hajun really is that far into 1-A, then he would win against both.
Did you not read what I wrote?
Would that make the possible superiority of TLOI and the creator over azathoth a farce?Wokistan said:That's really not how any of this works. At the level of Azathoth's "existence", will isn't really a thing. That stopped being relevant long ago. Everything like that and even the idea that Azathoth is "asleep" is merely the best metaphors that our human minds can use to attempt to comprehend something so alien to us, as in their truest form of "existence" they are beyond all, beyond change, and not even really characters.
May I ask why exactly?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:It's already a farce.
You can't make a "hierarchy of High 1-As/0s" that aren't from the same verse.
That misses the entire point of how they work.
"That's the issue, though. Debating between super high-end 1-As, High 1-As, and 0s is inherently pointless unless they're from the same verse.Bobsican said:May I ask why exactly?
Thank you so much for the answer... now I can sleep in peaceAzathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:It's already a farce.
You can't make a "hierarchy of High 1-As/0s" that aren't from the same verse.
That misses the entire point of how they work.
ctrl + F the amount of times in this thread my comments mentioned "omnipotence" and related those to my answer.Bobsican said:As tier High 1-A and 0 are going to e mxed up soon and the fact that omnipotence is leaving the site soon, that renders about half of Azzy´s arguments poor, to say the least.
Not downplay really. 1-A is still strong, i'm just trying to be objective. All Akuto Sai and Featherine did was transcend an infinite dimensional heiarchy. Even by this wiki's standards, that's literally just baseline 1-A. Have no idea where people got High 1-A from, unless there's definite proof (which I asked for).Bobsican said:Downplaying Akuto? Fine by me.
Downplaying Umineko? That´s too far.
I´ll call some knowledgeable member for it ASAP.