Hajime Nagumo vs Medaka Kurokami

[Phoenks]

Medaka Kurokami VS Hajime Nagumo

Information:

• Both are at their peak.
• Speed is equalized.
• The battle takes place in a random parking lot.
• Medaka has just killed the entirety of Hajime's harem.

Begin!

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Right now there is crt that would affect concept magic so maybe would be better to wait until that is finished, specially since that last condition basically make him begin with a concept magic do to the sheer rage.

Though that said just by the fact that he already have several layers of concept manip with his ancient magic Medaka should still be unable to do something against that (since as far I remember Agnaa said in the past that the concept manip of Medaka verse is baseline).

 

[Phoenks]

I will bump this, just because i'm curious on what happens currently.

 

[Agnaa]

From a glance at his profile, it seems like Hajime has no good way to deal with Medaka's luck.

If he doesn't have a way around that, or around all the potential wincons Medaka has, I expect her to luck into sticking around long enough to pull out a win.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

From a glance at his profile, it seems like Hajime has no good way to deal with Medaka's luck.

If he doesn't have a way around that, or around all the potential wincons Medaka has, I expect her to luck into sticking around long enough to pull out a win.

Technically speaking Hajime should have some experience against beings with supernatural luck do to fight against an big army of apparitions (beings born from legends through the worlds which have the powers of said legends), various of them which included apparitions borns from conception related to good or bad fortune, though we aren't really show that battle on screen and we only know that he won without problem.

What are her potential win cons in this context? And to begin with her luck can affect something like ancient magic (layered law and concept type 2)?

Hajime at this is able to affect reality with his will alone to create concepts (which with the current crt would end as type 1) so when he have strong feelings he can do dangerous things, like for example in his thrid key he lost her lover and the pure hate made him create a concept that erased the existence (via erasing their info) of anything he touched with the chains that were around him, or the previous key were do to his hate against the final enemy he create a comcept that destroyed his existence by making that all the damage he did (directly or indirectly) returned bad to him, so considering the initial condition in the op I expect him beginning with a concept like negate all existences or something like that. He also have infinite revives with an automatic resurrect (which use time manip to restore him), and have infinite energy with a perpetual motion machine inside his pocket world, so stamina wise he can last forever.

Between other relevant things Hajime have are his amps which can amp his stats 5x (except speed, which can go fron 12x to 60x depending on his amps), his fast grow which not only affect his stats but also resistances and hax potency in middle of combat, his intelligence which he use to develop counters against enemies powers, his ability to see and affect abstract information, his boundary manipulation (a superior type of spatial manip), his big ls advantage is also a problem (specially with his gravity manip) and his Miniature Garden which is a pocket world were he have all his artifacts and subordinates (which include things like thousands of ancient demons, seven divine spirits, two AIs with super calvulayion power and around three thousand apparition dragons, each of them having different abilities), between some other things from his list of hax and artifacts.

 

[Agnaa]

What are her potential win cons in this context?

Weighted Words (Body Control & Mind Manip), Five Focus (Disease Manip), Encounter (Attack Reflection), Scar Dead (Reopens all wounds someone has ever received at once, including mental wounds), Book Maker (Power Null, Stat Equalisation, and occasionally incaps by itself), All Fiction (Causality Manip, Existence Erasure, Absolute Zero, Conceptual Manipulation, Power Nullification, and Pseudo-Time Stop), Zapping Study (Mind Manip), The End (Power Mimicry).

And to begin with her luck can affect something like ancient magic (layered law and concept type 2)?

What does this mean?

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Does he have anything to deal with Medaka's very good luck, though? "Defeated some ghosts which are related to luck" does not sound particularly impressive.

Unzen, a character with far inferior luck, always rolls 6's on dice. When in the presence of someone who makes nothing stray from their usual chances, he was dealt an almost perfect hand in an Othello-like card game, that ability merely making 1 of his 7 perfect cards a diamond instead of a heart.

For some numbers-based feats, Medaka guessed a 6-digit passcode on her first try, and made the door present a particular passcode the next two times it was used; something with a 1 in a quintillion chance of happening. While this was occurring, another character said that she could manifest a 1 in a million chance a million times in a row.

For some combat-practical feats, she can cause enemy's attacks to miss vital areas, be spared by the whim of her enemies, and come up with winning strategies in a pinch. She wins whenever she needs to. To the point where a 3-A who can powernull all of Medaka's other abilities believed she would lose, and refused to fight Medaka.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

What are her potential win cons in this context?

Weighted Words (Body Control & Mind Manip), Five Focus (Disease Manip), Encounter (Attack Reflection), Scar Dead (Reopens all wounds someone has ever received at once, including mental wounds), Book Maker (Power Null, Stat Equalisation, and occasionally incaps by itself), All Fiction (Causality Manip, Existence Erasure, Absolute Zero, Conceptual Manipulation, Power Nullification, and Pseudo-Time Stop), Zapping Study (Mind Manip), The End (Power Mimicry).

And to begin with her luck can affect something like ancient magic (layered law and concept type 2)?

What does this mean?

stuff

Does he have anything to deal with Medaka's very good luck, though? "Defeated some ghosts which are related to luck" does not sound particularly impressive.

Unzen, a character with far inferior luck, always rolls 6's on dice. When in the presence of someone who makes nothing stray from their usual chances, he was dealt an almost perfect hand in an Othello-like card game, that ability merely making 1 of his 7 perfect cards a diamond instead of a heart.

For some numbers-based feats, Medaka guessed a 6-digit passcode on her first try, and made the door present a particular passcode the next two times it was used; something with a 1 in a quintillion chance of happening. While this was occurring, another character said that she could manifest a 1 in a million chance a million times in a row.

For some combat-practical feats, she can cause enemy's attacks to miss vital areas, be spared by the whim of her enemies, and come up with winning strategies in a pinch. She wins whenever she needs to. To the point where a 3-A who can powernull all of Medaka's other abilities believed she would lose, and refused to fight Medaka.

Mind Control is aboslutely resisted with the mental defenses spirit magic grant him (it would also be hard to affect his mind when his mere will change reality and create concepts), Body Control is likely also useless since metamorphoshis magic let the user control all organic matter (including their own matter obviously) and his body itself is able to adapt to things. Disease Manip is also useless do to Hajime having medicines which heal anything (the medicine create by Emily is a panacea able to heal any body abnormality with pluripotent cells, while Hajime own medicine is able to heal things with time manip and things that not even time manip can heal). The Attack Reflection have ever reflected back conceptual abilitites? Specially ones with various layers. Scar Dead is something normal restoration magic users can do (except the mental part since that's spirit magic territory, with basic spirit magic having the power to fix mental states). Power Null is resisted, Stats Reduction is something easily able to fix with evolution magic (since evolution magic affect abstract info, which include things like people stats). Causality Manip is probably countered with his restoration magic (time manip), EE is something that someone like Ehit was able to adapt by pure will and he have less willpower than Hajime, Absolute Zero is resisted (his divine spirit that control cold also manipulate AZ so that's another way he can counter it instead of simply resisting it), conceptual manip is resisted on various layers (after the current crt it would get resisted on type 1 level), would need more info about the Pseudo-Time Stop though in beginning that could be countered with his own time manip (one of her wives also use something similar with her time manip making Pseudo-Teleportations or what could also be called Pseudo-Time Stop depending on how Medaka Pseudo-Time Stop consist). Mind Manip things as said before are resisted. Don't know if she can copy layered concept manip.

I mean if her luck have affected conceptual abilitites or law based abilitites, like her luck nullified something like All Fiction? And have be show to affect layered conceptual manip powers?

Most of his attacks are homing attacks (they follow things like heat, biosignatures and soul signatures), they can also have big aoe, Hajime most fundamental philosophy is never let live anything that become his enemy (not even in the past when his emotions were affected to love his enemy he spared them) and with the condition in the op Hajime bloodlust at the very beginning is quite literally at a conceptual level, don't know what winning strategy she can come up against Hajime, much less in the current situation. Wasn't the Ajimu thing do to her 4th wall awareness making her develop the firm believe that she can't defeat the protagonist of a story? Hajime don't have such a thing so in principle he wouldn't believe that he can't win, even if he end believing he can't win he still will continue to persevere until he create a path to his win (as how he have done in the past, specially against Ehit who was basically the god tier of the verse pre after stories).

 

[Agnaa]

Sounds like he resists all of her potential wincons then. Hajime takes this.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Sounds like he resists all of her potential wincons then. Hajime takes this.

Thought so but is good to have confirmation.

 

[Phoenks]

Fair enough. Nice debate. Now I know a bit more about both charactets.

Can I assume this is a stomp in hajime's favor?

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah sure.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

yes