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This is a revenge match, this battle has already happened.
What will happen is that after the grace this will be closed if Guts wins.
I don't know if we replace the result with the most recent vsthread or not.
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Guts vs Maul - Rematch
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What will happen is that after the grace this will be closed if Guts wins.
I don't know if we replace the result with the most recent vsthread or not.
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Maul FRA
This ain't over
Tho I do agree this shouldn't even be added
This ain't over
Tho I do agree this shouldn't even be added
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Maul FRA
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Guts FRA
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Concretely, to how much heat can he resist?
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27.7K Degrees Celcius.
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How are the Clones missing him at point blank range?
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that was not a force choke, also fodder
Literally just TK, it's not a proper force choke AND Maul was restraining her to try and corrupt Ezra.
not even combat.
A time he didn't even have a lightsaber is not a good showing.
Overall Maul either has ulterior motives, it's just TKing someone who's fodder to him, or he doesn't even have a lightsaber.
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I have double checked and it seems like it has never actually applied to his current outdated profile.
Guts
Guts also known as "The Black Swordsman", "The One Hundred-Man Slayer" and "The Struggler" was the former raid unit leader of a mercenary group known as the Band of the Hawk and is the main protagonist of Berserk. As a newborn, Guts was taken into a mercenary bandit group after being noticed by...
vsbattles.fandom.com
His LS is currently Class K vs Maul’s Class M.
So yeah, until that get addressed, Maul can use his Telekinesis for the time being.
Anyway, I will refrain from voting since I generally stay out of VS Debating entirely as it is not my thing
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I have double checked and it seems like it has never actually applied to his current outdated profile.
Guts
Guts also known as "The Black Swordsman", "The One Hundred-Man Slayer" and "The Struggler" was the former raid unit leader of a mercenary group known as the Band of the Hawk and is the main protagonist of Berserk. As a newborn, Guts was taken into a mercenary bandit group after being noticed by...
His LS is currently Class K vs Maul’s Class M.
So yeah, until that get addressed, Maul can use his Telekinesis for the time being.
Anyway, I will refrain from voting since I generally stay out of VS Debating entirely as it is not my thing
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Or it got recalculated and they removed the Class G LS entirely.
Berserk: Guts avoids electrocution recalc
vsbattles.fandom.com
Which seems to been the case here
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Strange. I'll ask Joaki about this.Or it got recalculated and they removed the Class G LS entirely.
Berserk: Guts avoids electrocution recalc
Which seems to been the case here
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If there are two versions of the same calculations, then it seems, to me, we gonna need to do a calculation group thread or CRT.
Oh boi
Oh boi
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Nah the new calc is going through a CRT right now to get passed.
The Berserk Verse a complete ******* mess? Must be a day that ends in day.
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When there is two currently accepted calcs that conflicts with one another, we might as well address the conflicting calcs.
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Old calc used less movement and and outdated weight for the DragonSlayer.
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Still have to address the old calc as it is still currently accepted on Berserk’s verse page when looking into it
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A bit off topic but here I can tag you all, read Star Wars: Darth Vader – Black, White & Red. It's a 4 chapter comic that is basically Vader farming aura from start to finish.
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its a Guts vote?
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Guts guts Maul
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Maul mauls Guts?
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Shanks shanks Maul
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Rocks rocks Shanks
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Rocky rocks Rocks
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And why is it not? You do realize force chokes don't need to have the target clawing at their throat, right?
Still did so during combat, so that's irrelevant.
Also irrelevant, he does it to prevent her from attacking him.
How not?
Don't see how this is at all relevant.
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You realize force chokes tend to stop the target from being able to at all speak, right?
With ulterior motives. If he just cut her down he wouldn't be able to try to convince Ezra to give into the dark side. If you want to argue against this, argue against Maul's ENTIRE MOTIVATIONS for helping Ezra at all.
It's not a combative showing. It's not what we'd call something Maul would do in combat
...He didn't have the weapon he's argued to almost always use to a detriment?
It's a TLDR. A very large portion of Maul's fights where he has a lightsaber, AKA his main weapon, he basically never ragdolls anything but fodder with the force. Shit, he didn't even USE the force while completely bloodlusted against Palpatine. Does he sometimes use the force? Yeah, but he's not spamming it nor is he busting out a force choke of all things.
Not to mention there's precedent for Maul ******* around and being extremely aggro with just his lightsaber, which is how he lost his bottom half and how he literally ******* died
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Force Choke is not just used for this.
Force Choke is a technique where the objective is to grab, or crush or strangle the target, it is not just one thing.
This is categorized as Force Choke.
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You see, fodder doesn't have any kind of method to get rid of TK.
It's been shown that TK can block TK when his guard is up, so in a fight between force-sensitives, using this kind of thing is a spur-of-the-moment thing, when you open up an opening for it. Like when Maul pushed Obi-Wan into the pit or when Dooko quickly blocked Obi-Wan's lightsaber attack and immediately used Force Choke.
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It's called strategy, something Maul already rarely employs in his fights and doesn't necessarily mean it's the only way to do it, since, y'know, force push clashes aren't exactly common. And again, if the guy has basically never seriously used Force Choke, why would he use it here?
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There is no need for pushing confrontations. Jedi Fallen Order/Survivors showed us this (have you tried to force push Darth Vader in these games?)
Obviously it's not something passive, you need to do some kind of action or have your guard up to do it, but just having this blocking option already prevents Jedis and others from trying to spam.
A similar example would be Yoda vs Dokoo, where Dokko initially tries to use force lightning, but seeing that Yoda can defend against it, he gives up trying to tie using the force and goes for a duel with just lightsabers, even though he could still use it against Yoda if he made a mistake during the fight.
He used it here, here, here, here
Some of these were in battles.
I don't know if the Force is equalized in some supernatural berserk system, but if not, Maul probably thought Guts wasn't strong in the Force or a force-sentient, so he'd probably do what he usually does against fodder.
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And Dooku spams the living **** out of his force lightning, it's like half his fighting style even against other force sensitives lol
And if there's only one instance of Maul ragdolling someone to take advantage of an opening against someone he has very personal history with, it's telling on how unlikely he is to do it here.
Notice how damn near all of his instances of using the force to ragdoll people are against people who are no threat to Maul
Guts has a **** ton of astral shit about him, so Maul would probably sense that and treat him as force sensitive. Also the fact he beat down Pre Visla with no force powers. He treats other sword fighters as something he can beat and overpower, so he usually just forgoes the force.
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Dooku no longer used Force Lightning against Obi-Wan in the first fight in Episode 2 after Obi-Wan demonstrated skill in blocking it. Dooku did not even use it at any point during the fight against Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episode 3, probably for the same reason.
Maul uses Force Choke against Obi-Wan in one of the scans I sent you.
Besides, even with that, you only prove how he acts against someone who doesn't have their own TK.
He abuses the Force against non-sensitive guys who have 0% chance of defense against TK because they don't have that kind of thing to defend themselves, why wouldn't he use it against Guts for the same reason?
The Force has a different abstraction from things in berserk (CM2) so I don't know if he would treat Guts as Force Sensitive, because it is necessary to realize that the person is communicating with the Force in some way for that.
Besides, Temagi already answered this.
Maul has no reason to promise Guts anything.
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