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Some last things I wanna add to the verse...
The main soup
The main cast has received a lot of new calculations which would upgrade the verse (outside the God tiers ofc) to 8-B+ and Relativistic+.
Speaking of humans, this guy also needs some revisits.
Removal of Resistance to Mind Manipulation & Telepathy - He has these resistances off Bill being unable to enter in his mind. However, as pointed in a scan in Bill's weaknesses, it's a weakness of Bill being uncapable of going through tinfoil, rather than a resistance of Ford.
Resistance to Memory Manipulation - Ford says that his memory can't be reased because of the metal plate inside of his head protecting it from the Memory Gun.
Reality Warping, Subjective Reality, and likely many more via the Infinity-Sided Die (It's a die that has infinite sides, thus has infinite outcomes, such as permanently change the color of the sky, or bring Probabilitor the Wizard out of the "Dungeons, Dungeons, and More Dungeons" game)
Bill Cipher
P&A stuff
This man has indeed some things that need to be added:
Base - Air Manipulation: Can generate wind.
Base - Light Manipulation (more scans): Can generate light on a wheat field. Could make objects light up (also this should be removed as it's from Weirdmageddon).
Base - Plot Manipulation, Time Manipulation and Non-Physical Interaction (In the comic world, Dipper managed to grab his hat from a future panel[3], Soos altered the storyline by manipulating the text box[3], Mabel used a speech bubble as a weapon[3], and Wendy cut the lines of reality and narrative with her axe[3]) - Reason is that Stanford has this, and given that Bill is implied to also have gone in the comic world (just check the "Billroy was here" in the center-left panel), he should also have these abilities under his already accepted Immersion.
Base - Biological Manipulation, Transmutation and Voice Manipulation: Warped both Mabel's face and voice.
Weirdmageddon - Transmutation, Water Manipulation and Blood Manipulation: Turned the water of a waterfall in blood, as well as altering its flow to make it go in a portal.
Weirdmageddon - Earth Manipulation and Telekinesis: Generated the Fearamid out of the ground and lifted it, making it stay floating in the air. Made multiple objects float in a room.
Weirdmageddon - Heat Manipulation: Melted a statue with his energy beam.
Weirdmageddon - Explosion Manipulation: Made a tower explode with his energy beam.
Weakness revision
I'll explain the changes:
This is absurdly taking things out of context.
This is... not a weakness? Abilities needing to be activated isn't a weakness at all, it's just how they work. It's like saying that a gun has to have the trigger pressed in order to work as its weakness. Plus Bill not using precognition in combat is just... a weird assumption that ignores the points above. He didn't use precognition because of him feeling that he does not need it against the Pines, because they're just human beings, he literally said that he didn't expect them to be so clever in his first encounter, as humans are something Bill has toyed with multiple times, so obviously he'd see as worthless creatures that he can easily kill/neutralize with a single thought. It's simply something he does not lead with in fights, but saying he wouldn't use it against other cosmic beings who Bill can perceive as more serious threats compared to humans like the Time Baby is just bad faith here.
Anyway, added scans to the justification and added some others, which should explain by themselves. Plus, something about these weaknesses should be noted:
Despite his big amount of abilities, Bill for some reason lacks a section for it, hence here's one.
A big and massive thanks to @ShionAH in doing the Weirdmageddon part, as he's the one doing it.
The main soup
The main cast has received a lot of new calculations which would upgrade the verse (outside the God tiers ofc) to 8-B+ and Relativistic+.
- Dipper dodging a laser beam: 0.6c
- Dipper taking an explosion that's over 100 meters wide: 68.84 Tons of TNT
- Gideon surviving the explosion of his robot: 1.027 Tons of TNT (8-C)
- Dipper and Ford surviving an explosion that destroyed a tower: 2 to 4.2 Megajoules (9-B)
Speaking of humans, this guy also needs some revisits.
Removal of Resistance to Mind Manipulation & Telepathy - He has these resistances off Bill being unable to enter in his mind. However, as pointed in a scan in Bill's weaknesses, it's a weakness of Bill being uncapable of going through tinfoil, rather than a resistance of Ford.
Resistance to Memory Manipulation - Ford says that his memory can't be reased because of the metal plate inside of his head protecting it from the Memory Gun.
Reality Warping, Subjective Reality, and likely many more via the Infinity-Sided Die (It's a die that has infinite sides, thus has infinite outcomes, such as permanently change the color of the sky, or bring Probabilitor the Wizard out of the "Dungeons, Dungeons, and More Dungeons" game)
Bill Cipher
P&A stuff
This man has indeed some things that need to be added:
Base - Air Manipulation: Can generate wind.
Base - Light Manipulation (more scans): Can generate light on a wheat field. Could make objects light up (also this should be removed as it's from Weirdmageddon).
Base - Plot Manipulation, Time Manipulation and Non-Physical Interaction (In the comic world, Dipper managed to grab his hat from a future panel[3], Soos altered the storyline by manipulating the text box[3], Mabel used a speech bubble as a weapon[3], and Wendy cut the lines of reality and narrative with her axe[3]) - Reason is that Stanford has this, and given that Bill is implied to also have gone in the comic world (just check the "Billroy was here" in the center-left panel), he should also have these abilities under his already accepted Immersion.
Base - Biological Manipulation, Transmutation and Voice Manipulation: Warped both Mabel's face and voice.
Weirdmageddon - Transmutation, Water Manipulation and Blood Manipulation: Turned the water of a waterfall in blood, as well as altering its flow to make it go in a portal.
Weirdmageddon - Earth Manipulation and Telekinesis: Generated the Fearamid out of the ground and lifted it, making it stay floating in the air. Made multiple objects float in a room.
Weirdmageddon - Heat Manipulation: Melted a statue with his energy beam.
Weirdmageddon - Explosion Manipulation: Made a tower explode with his energy beam.
Weakness revision
Cannot stand with synthesized music. Tinfoil can be used to prevent Bill from entering inside minds.[9] He will do irrational things at times and is extremely cocky and arrogant. His regeneration seems to take a bit of time as he complained about how long it took him to regenerate his eye back. His precognition needs to be activated and he often neglects to use said power in combative scenarios, presumably due to hubris. While he is in someone's mind, memory erasure can be used to permanently erase him, forcing him to summon the Axolotl to survive.
Cannot stand with synthesized music,[5] to the point that it literally hurts him.[1] Tinfoil is something that can be used to prevent Bill from entering inside minds,[5] something that Stanford Pines has noticed, making him come to the decision to install aluminium inside his head[22] (although Bill can still manipulate[9] his dreams[22]). His eye is his weak spot, as targetting it[1] will cause actual pain to him, other than Bill requiring more time to regenerate it compared to his other body parts.[9] While he is in someone's mind, memory erasure can be used to[10] permanently erase him,[5] forcing him to summon the Axolotl to survive. Due to his mind being occupied from always seeing the past, the future and multiple dimension at the same time, Bill has a short attention span. Bill can be banished from a certain place through using spells,[5] forcing him to wait for those being undone in order to access said place again.[5]
I'll explain the changes:
This is absurdly taking things out of context.
- Bill instantly went for the kill against Time Baby.
- Bill initially wanted to permanently get rid of Ford through making him a backscratch, only to release him from that state because of him needing to get the equation to undo the barrier that is keeping Bill from expanding beyond Gravity Falls. Heck, the reason why he's been torturing the Pines all the time was because of him wanting to make Ford spit out that equation, not arrogance or anything. Heck, he targetted Dipper and Mabel because of this exact reason times, with him giving to them a "last chance" to push Ford in giving that equation, and then actually going for the kill when Ford was taking too much time for that decision. And we're not talking that before all of this Bill had simply no interest in Dipper, even telling to his minions that they can eat him.
This is... not a weakness? Abilities needing to be activated isn't a weakness at all, it's just how they work. It's like saying that a gun has to have the trigger pressed in order to work as its weakness. Plus Bill not using precognition in combat is just... a weird assumption that ignores the points above. He didn't use precognition because of him feeling that he does not need it against the Pines, because they're just human beings, he literally said that he didn't expect them to be so clever in his first encounter, as humans are something Bill has toyed with multiple times, so obviously he'd see as worthless creatures that he can easily kill/neutralize with a single thought. It's simply something he does not lead with in fights, but saying he wouldn't use it against other cosmic beings who Bill can perceive as more serious threats compared to humans like the Time Baby is just bad faith here.
Anyway, added scans to the justification and added some others, which should explain by themselves. Plus, something about these weaknesses should be noted:
- While he's with a physical form, Bill's eye weakness applies only when his eye is the only thing that is being targetted, as he could form his body from 0 just fine.
- Bill can be erased only when he's inside a mind, as he's forced to go back to his Mindscape form to do so, requiring him to leave his physical form, thus making himself vulnerable. It shouldn't be assumed that everyone who has memory manipulation can just one shot Bill even when he's outside a mind.
Despite his big amount of abilities, Bill for some reason lacks a section for it, hence here's one.
A big and massive thanks to @ShionAH in doing the Weirdmageddon part, as he's the one doing it.
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