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Gravity Falls: Minor Speed upgrade
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Yes, but 48 hours must pass 1st.
Plus there's the concern about the Magnet Gun feat which is indeed valid, don't think that falling counts as speed, and for that I'd wait for @Jason_Courne (the one who made the calc) and @Psychomaster35 (the one who evalutated it).
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Honestly, I think the feat should be fine to use given how Dipper's eyes still move in tandem with the laser.
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Yes
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Alright then, thanks.
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Ducking my arguments and acting ignorant sure is a nice way of debating. Unfortunately it doesn't refute anything. In your own videos the characters are seen percieving the "lasers" way before the lasers reached them which means that the light bouncing off those lasers blitzed said lasers and entered the characters' retinas. Address this and don't duck.
Saying it's across all of media does not change the fact I've provided many examples that happen in GF of the characters failing to react to things that are nowhere near relativistic. Disprove them.
Doesn't change the existence of all the anti-feats for GF, which outnumber your 4 "feats". Stop yapping about authors, which is ironically something you yourself complained about.
I never said it's slower because the characters dodge it. The fact that several responses in a row you have to blatantly lie about my arguments is laughable stuff.
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The characters are just that fast
I don't need to. That's just bad writing that happens any time due to authors generally not being aware that these things would be mundane for these characters.
You've never mentioned even a single actual anti feat, just some random cases that... you didn't even cite? Plus I am not yapping, I am only telling this mindset of yours is foolish because you can argue this for literally any verse.
Why are you the one actually lying?
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The arguments against the Relativistic calcs are genuinely just arguments from incredulity with nothing to back them up. All the feats except the 2nd one should be fine, so an upgrade to 0.36c seems reasonable. There's clear consistency here
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That doesn't really matter to me. The eye movement is not what's being calculated here, it's Dipper falling
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I'll try calculating that, in case it'll ultimately be agreed before the fall.
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Tbh 0.01c is not that much of a difference, let’s just stick with 0.36c calc
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I wanna accuracy about numbers boy.
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I don’t think you’ll get eye movement above 0.36c which is why it’s kinda pointless at least for me
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Yeah I redid the magnet gun calc with only Dipper's forward momentum from the jump and it still got .30c (also .099c for the blinking)
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I think it should be clarified that these are Reaction & Perception Speed Feats, not Travel Speed. The characters in Gravity Fall obviously don't run anywhere close to the speed of light, but they can see, react, and make brief movements at Relativistic Speeds.
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Some of these feats, like Gideon covering himself, or Dipper and Mabel redirecting the rainbow, are full-on movements, and not just reactions, so... nah.
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They are very brief movements, I think they would still fall under Reaction Speed.
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Reaction is something that would be defined as "brief movements made as reflex", something that two of these are not.
Of course nobody is saying these are travel speed, but they are definitely enough for combat to be honest.
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The way I see it, you can work in negation.
Gideon's movements are definitely a reaction to the flashlight and the same could be said for Ford, both of which would fall under this example.
As for the other two, it's true they are not out of reaction, but at the same time, they aren't combat speed feats either, since no combat is happening. And they aren't attack speed feats. And of course, they aren't Travel or Flight Speed Feat because the characters in-verse don't run that fast. So in the end, you have two Relativistic Reaction Time Feats and two feats that fall into a gray area.
So, I personally feel it would be most accurate to put them all under Reaction Speed.
Gideon's movements are definitely a reaction to the flashlight and the same could be said for Ford, both of which would fall under this example.
As for the other two, it's true they are not out of reaction, but at the same time, they aren't combat speed feats either, since no combat is happening. And they aren't attack speed feats. And of course, they aren't Travel or Flight Speed Feat because the characters in-verse don't run that fast. So in the end, you have two Relativistic Reaction Time Feats and two feats that fall into a gray area.
So, I personally feel it would be most accurate to put them all under Reaction Speed.
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This is a series of movements.
This is both a foward movement and his eyes moving.
This is a controlled movement made pretty casually.
What would fall under reaction speed.
As pointed above, he was making also a small run while at it as well. I think you're being a lil' too strict here, especially given that 2 are way more leaning toward actual combat speed than simple reaction.
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Well the calcs are movement of parts of their bodies, so people who can keep up with them in fights would need Relativistic speed in both Combat and Reaction, which is why I think scaling in to Combat is fine too
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Someone doing a tuck and roll out of the way of some FTL Attack would be considered a dodge, and dodging falls under Reaction Speed.
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Anyway, I just disagree with Gravity Fall Character's having Reletavistic Combat Speed. It goes against so much we see in the show it's not even funny.
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It wasn't a single movement as the reaction speed page says though. He both made a small ran and ducked, this is a bit more complex than a simple reaction ngl.
I'll just note it, if I can't change your mind.
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That's what most rolls out of the way of danger.
Just feels weird and wrong to me, idk.
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