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Gravity Falls General Discussion Thread
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Bill Cipher CRT
All these abilities for base key: Immorality Type 2: Bill seems unfazed when he fall apart. He is also unbothered by the large crack that splits his body Unholy Manipulation: Bill's powers are unholy Transformation: Bill can turn into his monster form 0:15 Bodily Weaponry: Can use his teeth to...
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Gravity Falls: Cosmology Revamp + Adding some stuff
Considering this thread is pretty dead at this point, I think that a new one is in order. STUFF TAKEN BY THE OLD CRT: The updated cosmology blog (yes it's a new one, will update depending on how the thread goes), which elaborates on: The main multiverse, despite still being 2-A, possibly High...
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Dead verse.
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Pretty much. The website was the last thing from the GF official content, and it has been out long time ago… there’s nothing left to do here much, so I wouldn’t expect less.
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back to the future ah statement
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Hey, new content!
Alex Hirsch did a new interview and even spoke as Bill during it, acting “in character.”
It’s five hours.
Alex Hirsch did a new interview and even spoke as Bill during it, acting “in character.”
It’s five hours.
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I resurrect this thread from the dead so I can promote this.
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Gravity Falls: The last fixes (Stats downgrades and Abilities additions)
I think this verse is basically done after all the Book of Bill additions (despite these came in pretty late), so these are last things that'd fix the last remnants of this verse. Tier 8 main cast is bad As discussed here, both the 8-B+ and the 8-C calcs are invalid, for the following reasons...
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Is there any thing we still need to do for the Verse or we finally can let it in peace before Alex and his team give us any new wank content?
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The Triangle has had his time, we need Grunkle Stan buffs!
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MY SOUL
IS NOT READY
IS NOT READY
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I mean, what's the benefit from that?
I saw other verses still not do it like Sonic, so shrug.
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Wiki visitors can get to the cosmology page faster and easier by using the search bar. It looks more reliable than a blog because it is a page. And people can easily implement when they change something with a CRT.
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either i cooked or I should never cook again
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YOUR IMMORTALITY IS NO MATCH FOR MY GUN (Alucard vs Stanford Pines) 0-0-0
-RULES- -Speed is equalize -Stan has prior knowledge of Alucard's BS Immortality and Regen -Stan has Prep-time -Pre-Schrodinger key is used -Distance is 10 meters -Takes place on Gravity Falls Stanford Pines: Alucard: WIN-CONS Stanford: Shooting Alucard with the Quantum Stabilizer which...
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He say he is made of light in that interview, should this be incorporeal?
"Im blushing, you can't tell, im made of light"
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Resurrecting the GF verse back from the dead with this CRT to also announce that the Collector's Edition of the Book of Bill broughts in nothing too notable to the table.
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There is this though, but's it's so minor that powerscaling wise it adds nothing besides another thing about him being able to go into dreams
Gravity Falls: Even more fixes and major Bill additions
So, after that the Collector's edition of the Book of Bill came out, I was sad to see that it added basically nothing besides some few minor codes. So I decided to make some little changes around Gravity Falls because I think we did miss some stuff still. Cosmology Nothing that is too impactful...
There is this though, but's it's so minor that powerscaling wise it adds nothing besides another thing about him being able to go into dreams
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Resurrecting the GF verse back from the dead with this CRT to also announce that the Collector's Edition of the Book of Bill broughts in nothing too notable to the table.
Gravity Falls: Even more fixes and major Bill additions
So, after that the Collector's edition of the Book of Bill came out, I was sad to see that it added basically nothing besides some few minor codes. So I decided to make some little changes around Gravity Falls because I think we did miss some stuff still. Cosmology Nothing that is too impactful...
There is this though, but's it's so minor that powerscaling wise it adds nothing besides another thing about him being able to go into dreams
Hey StrymULTRA why Realm Of Idea doesn't have a Concept Type 1? I think it's similar to the definition that
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You might be conflating the Mindscape with the Realm of Ideas. The Mindscape represents the layer of individual or collective consciousness, a subjective interface, whereas the Realm of Ideas is an independent ideatic realm that can only be accessed through the Mindscape. Bill explicitly distinguishes the two, telling others to "leave their frail bodies behind in the Mindscape"
When Bill refers to fiction and reality creating each other, he’s not implying a physical feedback loop, but a cognitive–ideatic one. The mind acts as the bridge linking the narrative layer and the physical layer, which is why the cycle functions as a metaphysical concept rather than a literal cosmological structure.
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Bill says reality creates story and story creates reality here through the mind, and I don't think the mind is physical. Anyways that just what I understand if there anywrong I'm very sorry about that
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Bill also says that you can access it through your dreams, but that's the same way one can access the Mindscape too.
I think it's clear enough that the "realm of ideas" and the Mindscape are the same thing.
But even then, it still wouldn't be Type 1 concept as the Mindscape is not a fully independent place from reality which shapes every object (both abstract and physical) in the reality beneath it, as it really seems to be an astral plane with nothing too deep about it.
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I thought concept type 1 only needed to govern something? As far as I know, it's enough to control a part of reality, not the whole physical reality, like in Sonic, Maginary World governing dreams or concept type 1 of Oblivion is death. Moreover, regarding the dream aspect, Bill never said that dreams are a way to enter the Realm of Idea only that they allow one to glimpse it (And this word "glimpse" is extremely important because it is clear that Bill is metaphorizing the dream for something greater, because Bill later says that the dream is a gift from the Realm of Idea).To actually enter it, you must create a story, spread it through the collective memory, and then insert one’s identity into the Realm of Idea. From what we can tell, the Mindscape is merely a mental realm belonging to each individual, interconnected with others but not the collective memory of humanity itself.
The following points support my argument:
• Bill stated that one must abandon both the physical body and the body within the Mindscape in order to become an idea.
• The Realm of Idea represents the collective consciousness of all humanity concerning all things, not just one person.
• Bill also made it clear that the Realm of Idea is a real realm, existing independently of matter but connected through the mind (and I pretty sure the mind in here is Mindscape)
Unless, the Realm of Idea here is actually a higher layer within the Mindscape.
Also when Bill refers to the Mindscape, he consistently uses the term “mind” or “consciousness” of an individual, rather than the Realm of Idea. His repeated usage of “mind” in this context strongly suggests that the Mindscape corresponds to the personal mind a private mental domain while the Realm of Idea is different
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And what is the realm of ideas governing here, exactly?
You still ignore the part where Bill mentions that you can become immortal by leaving your body and making your identity part of the realm of the ideas, and later on mentions to do so in the Mindscape.
Why does this mean it's the exact same as Plato's World of Forms?
He literally does it in the monologue about the Realm of Ideas though, no idea why are you trying so hard in separate the two when it's pretty clear it's the same.
Justifying why an otherwise simple interpretation of the two being synonyms instead means that the two are actually different things through walls of text is really not it, sorry.
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I believe the Realm of Ideas governs the minds of all living beings..
Because Bill said reality is divided into 2 attributes: the physical world and the story world connected through the mind, and the realm of idea is where the collective memory of humanity is stored, not an individual.
So I will talk very simple
If dreams were the Realm of Ideas, then why did Bill use the phrase “glimpse into”?
If the Mindscape were already the Realm of Ideas, then everything within it would be pure ideas yet Bill explicitly said the Realm of Ideas is where the thoughts and stories of all humanity are shared, not just those of a single individual.
Or Realm of Idea is a higher layer of Mindscape
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I think it’s pretty clear the Mindscape and the Realm of Ideas are one and the same considering Stanford doubles down on Bill’s idea-based immortality himself based on his experience with Bill, which is solely his Mindscape self.
Additionally, the wording is quite clear:
Which is literally another way of saying this:
It’s literally reworded to make clear the Realm of Ideas and the Mindscape are one and the same.
Additionally, the wording is quite clear:
Which is literally another way of saying this:
It’s literally reworded to make clear the Realm of Ideas and the Mindscape are one and the same.
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Reaper has basically said what I intended to.
Besides, yeah, nothing really hints at this "realm of ideas" to behave like a Type 1 concept either. It's really just pushing stuff to attempt making the verse stronger, no offense.
Besides, yeah, nothing really hints at this "realm of ideas" to behave like a Type 1 concept either. It's really just pushing stuff to attempt making the verse stronger, no offense.
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So what do you think about Bill saying that the Realm of Idea is a repository of the collective memory of humanity and not an individual?
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Considering all Minds are connected through the Mindscape, then like, yeah dude. They are. I mean, there's literally gateways between all the Minds that exist in the Scape. If all Minds exist in the Scape, then all Memory is within it.
What you should be considering is how Bill's physiology works if he's an Idea (which is reiterated several times in BoB) that does not Exist/Has Non-Existence (Sock Opera).
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So the realm of idea here is a kind of collective mindscape and it is kind of higher than the personal mindscape?
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It's just the Mindscape. Not a higher level of Mindscape--Just the Mindscape itself. They are one and the same. The Mindscape has access to all minds (as seen in the Book of Bill) passively, so that description literally fits what we've already seen. The only difference is that now we're being told is that said nature works both ways, so existing as a story to be remembered makes you immortal because everyone's thoughts give you a form of power as a Nonexistent Idea that can perpetuate eternally.
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Hmm, I’m not entirely sure about that. The fact that the Mindscape connects all minds is obvious, but each mind still stores its own individual memories and experiences.
Meanwhile, the Realm of Idea is described as the repository of the collective memory of all humanity. It’s kind of like each computer keeps its own local data, while a central server stores and manages the combined information from all of them.
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I just realized this: the reason Bill uses the metaphor of "genes replicating through physical flesh" when talking about the propagation of identity in the Mindscape is because he’s describing the transitional phase of ideation - a stage where a living being’s consciousness begins transforming into an "idea".
Just as genes replicate across generations to achieve a lasting, almost immortal presence, your identity must also replicate through the Mindscape before it can fully transcend into the Realm of Ideas. In other words, Bill’s line refers to the process of becoming an idea - not the Mindscape as the final destination. But i still want to hear your opinion
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