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Gravity Falls General Discussion Thread

Ok, so... I have some doubts/problems with Bill's Immeasurable rating so i would like to you people help me answer them or otherwise i will downgrade Bill to Below Average Human

Speed: Immeasurable (Stated that he capable of navigating beyond linear chronology.[5]
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I don´t see why "beyond linear chronology" would means through linear chronology, Bill might be referring to his capability of exiting the timeline

Implied to have moved through time to reach[36] and possess Blendin,[26] who lives in the future.[4]
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He would just need to enter on the future part of the timeline through Dimensional Travel to do so

Fought Time Baby multiple[7] times,[5] who is implied to perceive time as a physical distance.[5]
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This seems like an overexaggeration imo, nothing implies that Time Baby sees time as something physical, but the quote is rather talking just about the temporal area around Earth

He did all of this before Weirdmageddon, when he specifically had no control over Time,[22] with Time-related abilities including also Time Travel[5])
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After killing Time Baby, Bill says he has gained control of time itself, not that he didn´t has any time-related ability prior to it

Additionally, why is Bill physically Class Y if he could make the planets crash through Telekinesis?
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Ok, so... I have some doubts/problems with Bill's Immeasurable rating so i would like to you people help me answer them or otherwise i will downgrade Bill to Below Average Human

I don´t see why "beyond linear chronology" would means through linear chronology, Bill might be referring to his capability of exiting the timeline
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Moving beyond linear chronology would be moving beyond time's linear path. Literally the textbook definition.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
He would just need to enter on the future part of the timeline through Dimensional Travel to do so
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Dunno what you mean by this, since Dimensional Travel and Time Travel are two different things in Gravity Falls.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
This seems like an overexaggeration imo, nothing implies that Time Baby sees time as something physical, but the quote is rather talking just about the temporal area around Earth
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Precisely. They are applying 3 dimensional movement, vectors, and physical measurement on time.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
After killing Time Baby, Bill says he has gained control of time itself, not that he didn´t has any time-related ability prior to it
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"I wasn't always this way," and "NOW that I've killed Time Baby, Time Itself!" heavily, HEAVILY imply he did not have the power over time he demonstrates to have later.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Additionally, why is Bill physically Class Y if he could make the planets crash through Telekinesis?
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Nothing implies he did it through telekinesis in the scan. Further, even if it did, Telekinesis/Psychokinesis often have those ratings based on the amount of lifting strength you demonstrate, as other characters can break through your Telekinesis if they're stronger than your Telekinesis' ability to exert force on them. (See Silver the Hedgehog's profile.)
 
Btw Bill making Planets kiss is a reference to how little girls smash their toys together to make them kiss, so its more likely Bill did it with his hands

Especially when we already have deleted scenes of him smashinsg Ford and a Deer together to make them kiss
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I don´t see why "beyond linear chronology" would means through linear chronology, Bill might be referring to his capability of exiting the timeline
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Through is literally what confirms Immeasurable. A bit like when you travel and you encounter a bridge, you go through it. Immeasurable speed is taking the time axis as if it's a spatial axis that you can walk through.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
He would just need to enter on the future part of the timeline through Dimensional Travel to do so
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Theory.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
This seems like an overexaggeration imo, nothing implies that Time Baby sees time as something physical, but the quote is rather talking just about the temporal area around Earth
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Argument from incredulity. Perimeter and radius are literally words to describe physical attributes of shapes.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Additionally, why is Bill physically Class Y if he could make the planets crash through Telekinesis?
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@ShionAH explained it above.
ShionAH said:
Especially when we already have deleted scenes of him smashinsg Ford and a Deer together to make them kiss
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tf.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Can someone remind me why string theory confirmation didn’t nuke 1-B automatically?
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It's because of Bill's statement of associating directions with dimensions, as he was the only one in the 2nd dimension who could look at the direction of "up", thus seeing the 3rd dimension.

Combining it with Ford's statement about how the aliens' sense of direction was ****** due to them being up to 11D, then the "possibly 1-B" still stands, especially when strings themselves are extremely small.
 
StrymULTRA said:
It's because of Bill's statement of associating directions with dimensions, as he was the only one in the 2nd dimension who could look at the direction of "up", thus seeing the 3rd dimension.
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3 spatial dimensions are not compactified in string theory.
StrymULTRA said:
Combining it with Ford's statement about how the aliens' sense of direction was ****** due to them being up to 11D, then the "possibly 1-B" still stands, especially when strings themselves are extremely small.
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Why can’t this work when the dimensions are compactified and are 10^-35 meters long?
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Why can’t this work when the dimensions are compactified and are 10^-35 meters long?
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Given that they're treated as directions where one can take in their movement, there's enough ambiguity for these not being compactified.

It's why Hyperdimension Neptunia is "possibly 9D" too, because of the universes having also directional coordinates.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Given that they're treated as directions where one can take in their movement, there's enough ambiguity for these not being compactified.
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It can pretty much be due to the fact that they have multi-dimensional vision. Even if dimensions are compactified, one will still be confused in a lower-dimensional universes. Like, imagine having 6D-10D vision.
StrymULTRA said:
It's why Hyperdimension Neptunia is "possibly 9D" too, because of the universes having also directional coordinates.
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Yeah but it doesn’t have String Theory blatantly confirmed and supported. The only thing that GF has that is not in the string theory is, well, the Bulk, but it’s for NR and not Multiverse.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
It can pretty much be due to the fact that they have multi-dimensional vision. Even if dimensions are compactified, one will still be confused in a lower-dimensional universes. Like, imagine having 6D-10D vision.
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You cannot go in directions without these being at least be able to be crossed, that's silly.
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Yeah but it doesn’t have String Theory blatantly confirmed and supported. The only thing that GF has that is not in the string theory is, well, the Bulk, but it’s for NR and not Multiverse.
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Gurren Lagann also does that, yet it has 10D and 11D Bulks.
 
StrymULTRA said:
You cannot go in directions without these being at least be able to be crossed, that's silly.
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Why those directions can’t be compactified with aliens being much smaller in those dimensions?
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Gurren Lagann also does that, yet it has 10D and 11D Bulks.
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Does Gurren Lagann have an all-knowing demon with Supergenius Intelligence who says String Theory is canon?
 
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Dipper's profile is the only one who might need a complete rework, the other characters don´t have any significant abilities that were missed

Btw (Stanford's profile):
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Should every character who entered on the comic book world gain the above abilities?
 
It should be noted that, if the Hypertimeline thing gets accepted, we will have to remove one of the proofs for an Infinite Multiverse from Bill's profile:
Low Complex Multiverse level, possibly Hyperverse level (Caused the Dimensional Rift,[2] the gate between worlds that directly connected the multiverse to the Nightmare Realm and was causing the Weirdmaggedon, getting stronger every minute due to it.[2] According to the Time Baby, if the Rift was not stopped, it would destroy the very fabric of existence[2] through flooding the multiverse[4] with the Nightmare Realm,[2] something that would be on accord with Bill's plan of making existence without restrictions, laws,[9] cause or effect.[8] Implied to sustain the Rift itself due to his death causing it to close and all of its effects being reverted shortly after.[10] Ford stated twice[4] that Bill was a threat to the infinite[8] multiverse,[5] with Bill himself stating that he was planing to smash the entirety of reality.[5] Fought and defeated the Shacktron,[9] which was being empowered by an Interdimensional portal that is powerful enough to shake the entire Nightmare Realm,[4] a 5-D, possibly 12-D infinite structure that encompasses infinite universes in itself. Even after the end of the Weirmaggedon, Gravity Falls was still left with several dimensional rips that are directly connected to the Nightmare Realm and other universes[35]), able to ignore durability with powers
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Actually, it just occurred to my idiot brain that the LoFi-Messages should be more proof of Bill's 4th Wall Awareness and Manipulation, since it would be him infecting Disney's Product (music and vid description) with his messages.
 
StrymULTRA said:
I'd make:
  • Deals
  • Duplication
  • Fire
  • Lightning Bolts
  • Body Control (which includes his shapeshifting, size manip, etc.)
  • Madness Manip
  • Energy Blasts (the one used against Time Baby)
  • Telekinesis
These are the most notable attacks he has.
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So is bill getting resurrected??

If so is there anything that can stop him again?
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
So is bill getting resurrected??
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Nuh huh.
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Dipper and Mabel being slightly above 1 meter is still odd to me
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RedReaper616 said:
Moving beyond linear chronology would be moving beyond time's linear path. Literally the textbook definition.
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Accelerated_Evolution said:
Additionally, why is Bill physically Class Y if he could make the planets crash through Telekinesis?
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Found the HD scans of the Journal 3, with also the glow-in-the-dark pages (you'll have to download it as Archive is slow asf in loading media on its viewer).
 
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