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Gravity falls CRT, definition of insanity edition.

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ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Being connected to everywhere in an infinite universe means creating or destroying it would be 2-A, but I don't think bill's power over it is absolute
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No.

The nightmare real would be the space in-between dimensions.

And the statement about Bill destroying it also describes it as a 2D reality he liberated.
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
well that is why i said "possibly" or "likely" 2-A rather than straight up
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BUt this is, once again, contradictory in every way.


The statement made in the show itself says that it was a plane and that he libarated it. You can at most say that it became the foam after he caused it to be destroyed.


Also, he likely destroyed it the same way he was going to do with the main dimension, which isn't aplicable to AP.
 
Let me clear this up as this is what little we know about bill's history

he destroyed the 2nd dimension and with no more second dimension he wound up in the nightmare realm which he proceeded to take over as more of his minions started wounding up in it
 
I know that.

Zach assumed that bill destroyed it, to which I replied by saying that it is 2-D and could at most be argued to have become the foam after at most.
 
But again, show something that has bill actually having absolute controll over all of it.


It's also pretty clear that he cannot control dimensions, within the nightmare realm or not.
 
how is not clear

and i said we should put possibly 2-A not straight up as we do not know the full extent of his control but it is still within the realm of possibility
 
No.

He won't be put to any tier unless you bring proof, because the nightmare realm is not infinite realities, and having control over a place with no space, time, or even dimensionality isn't 2-A.

And you also fail to prove he can actually control it like that.
 
Ya know he has said it is his own as well s ford and he said he wants to claim the new uuniverse as his own but you don't think thiss is evidence enough and we are going back and forth so i will contact a knowledgeable member and see what they have to say about it to clear this whole thing up

i think cal or ryu or azzy
 
No, it isn't. Claiming a new universe as a playgrounddoesn't mean that you have complete control over it. It's like saying that I am 8-C for having gotten a house.

And again, the nightmare realm can't be properly tiered, as it litirally breaks down reality.
 
you keep using yourself as an example lets say you have bill's abilities and you use it to play around with your house you are suddenly 8-C bill has thses abilities and mean to do what you can't do in real life
 
Please, spellcheck a bit.

There is no proof that he has absolute control over it, and the whole plot gets complety destroyed if he did.
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
how so i mean he lost not because he wasn't powerful enough but because he was so arrogant his power didn't mean anything anymore
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That... doesn't remotly matter.


There is absolutly no proof he has absolute control over them, and if he did have absolute control over it then that would mean he could control something outside of reality.
 
I would say Time Baby should be High 3-A since he can devour time, not to mention Dreamscape Bill stating that he's only slightly stronger than The Time Baby but I dissagree with the Low 2-C rating.

As for The Nightmare Realm thing, I agree with you.

According to Journal 3, the Nightmare Realm is described as a "Gateway to other worlds" implying more that they're portals that connect our universe to The Nightmare Realm (or connect universes to the Nightmare Realm). This would equally explain why Mabel was traveling through several universes because there's portals to each universe.

And while The Nightmare Realm is a 2-A structure since it's described as "The dimension between all dimensions", that wouldn't scale to Bill since he doesn't have total control over The Nightmare Realm (Which is supported by how Bill can't control the fact that the Nightmare Realm is slowly rotting away).
 
wait just a question but does bill stabilizing the rift then creating multiple rifts when he died mean anything for his reation to the nighmare realm?
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
wait just a question but does bill stabilizing the rift then creating multiple rifts when he died mean anything for his reation to the nighmare realm?
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Doubt it does, it's more of an unqantifiable feat if I'm being honest.
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
also bill appears to be the one who is making it rot with his whole i break the rules of everything attitude i don't know did he just not want to stop so instead he just wanted a new universe?
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The Nightmare realm has no rules.

It actively breaks down rules.
 
okay because for a second i thought it does show bill has more control over the realm than we thought

but he still seems to have some control over it

so now i will scour everything until i find something that proves this
 
huh i was wondering because i thought it would make more sense if bil was destroying it via enviromental destruction becuase the foam shouldn't just destroy itself like that
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
okay because for a second i thought it does show bill has more control over the realm than we thought
but he still seems to have some control over it

so now i will scour everything until i find something that proves this
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Quote from Journal 3: "Bill took over the Nightmare Realm as a hideout for him and his cronies, but because this place is lawless, without any consistent physics on it, it is eventually fated to self-destruct. This is why Bill seeks a new, more stable dimension to take over"

This shows that the reason why The Nightmare Realm is self-destructing and rotting is because it's lawless, not because of Bill. Furthermore, why would Bill want the Nightmare Realm to fade into self-destruction? If he had control over The Nightmare Realm, he could've just willed it back into stability.
 
Like, there are Warhammer characters who research into 1-A realms.

They are never getting 1-A tecnology.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Like, there are Warhammer characters who research into 1-A realms.
They are never getting 1-A tecnology.
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Yes. Ford's technology isn't 5-D. But him needing 5-D research to access it is still evidence for 5-D
 
Totallynotchewbacca said:
what wasn't accepted was tht 5d research was needed to access him this is sort of using the same evidence bt in completely different ways
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But the fact that the reasearch is 5-D to begin with wasn't accepted.


Anyways, it would be better to bring it up here.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Yes. Ford's technology isn't 5-D. But him needing 5-D research to access it is still evidence for 5-D
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Them being 5-D was plain refused.
 
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