Grand Priest vs Cresselia

[The_real_cal_howard]

Cool, I can do this. Speed equal.

Grand Priest; Cresselia



When dreams come true

 

[Ionliosite]

What's Cresselia's AP? Because Grand Priest is vastly above Whis who's vastly Gogeta Blue who appears to be baseline.

 

[Peter1129]

Cresselia scales to Darkrai whose 2-C feat seems to be merging two worlds which is baseline.

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Grand Priest most likely has a significant AP advantage. I'll wait and see arguments for Cresselia's hax before voting.

 

[Ionliosite]

Does Cressilia lead with hax or is she like Dialga?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Does Cressilia lead with hax or is she like Dialga?

Both

 

[Ionliosite]

How lol?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Both of them lead with hax.

 

[Ionliosite]

Dialga leads with draco meteor and physical attacks, didn't you watch the movie?

 

[TriforcePower1]

The movie where he fights his counterpart that resists his hax and he knows it. Obviously he would use Roar of Time against him.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I wanted to know in numbers how strong the El Grande Padre is in comparison to the 2-C baseline

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He can't be any more than 9x baseline as that's Zeno.

 

[Akreious]

He can't be any more than 9x baseline as that's Zeno.

???

Zeno is casually 9x Baseline, why would someone's casual feat be the cap for others?

 

[Ionliosite]

Because Zen O is canonically stronger?

 

[Akreious]

Okay? And?

Zeno is casually 9x Baseline at a minimum

Someone is stronger than 9x

Zeno is still considered stronger

All that means is Zeno is unquantifiably still superior to 9x Baseline

This is no different than the scaling with their 3-A Chain

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Casually? Nothing implies casualness. It comes from a statement, not a feat. There's absolutely zero way to determine how casual Zeno is. So yes, the (canon) verse peaks at 9x baseline.

And before anyone brings up the eradication of Infinte Zamasu, that was 12 universes, not 18.

 

[Ionliosite]

Well, Future Zen O destroyed Future Trunks' timeline, so there you have a 12 universes feat.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Casually? Nothing implies casualness. It comes from a statement, not a feat. There's absolutely zero way to determine how casual Zeno is. So yes, the (canon) verse peaks at 9x baseline.

And before anyone brings up the eradication of Infinte Zamasu, that was 12 universes, not 18.

 

[Ionliosite]

I didn't see the edit.

 

[Quantu]

Wait GP is 2-C? Cool.

If Cresselia leads with hax and they are similar AP I think this is a stomp.

 

[Akreious]

Casually? Nothing implies casualness. It comes from a statement, not a feat. There's absolutely zero way to determine how casual Zeno is. So yes, the (canon) verse peaks at 9x baseline.
And before anyone brings up the eradication of Infinte Zamasu, that was 12 universes, not 18.

Zeno after the destruction of Infinite Zamasu and all of the Universes was happily floating around in the Void. No stress.

Several universes were destroyed because Zeno was in a bad mood; not 100% nor any amount of seriousness was implied

Both of Zeno's 2-C and 2-C statements leads one to believe he is nowhere near serious while performing his feats.

So no, the (canon) verse does not peak at 9x Baseline.

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, he got upgraded recently.

I wanted to know in numbers how strong the El Grande Padre is in comparison to the 2-C baseline

Sorry, but the grammatical redundancy there made me laugh.

 

[Ionliosite]

So no, the (canon) verse does not peak at 9x Baseline.

Execpt that's factually wrong.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Sorry, but the grammatical redundancy there made me laugh.

lol, this grammar was intentional, and I also wanted to pay homage to a (in)famous DBS meme

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Grande Padre is far above someone who is more powerful than two someones who are baseline when put together, so, he is far above baseline, but the exact number is hard to pinpoint.

 

[The_Calaca]

Didn't Whis say he couldn't hold a candle to El Grande Padre?

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Yeah, Grande Padre is far above him.

 

[The_Calaca]

So neither Cresselia can.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

>Dragon Ball having 2-Cs other than Zeno.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

(X) Doubt FRA.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, and both feats are less than the 18 universes he scales to. I don't give a darn how casual his lesser feats are, his highest statement is 18 universes, it's never said he could do that easily or that it's his heartbeat or something, and because of that, that's what he'll be treated as. We're not making exceptions for Dragon Ball.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Honestly, the closest we can really get is "far above baseline".

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not even that. Even if we did decide to suck on DB's dick and say that Zeno's best statement is so casual that it's like doing it via blinking, 2-C isn't exactly a small tier.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I mean far when comparing to other characters in-universe, I'm not talking about the tier overall.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Besides the fact that 2-C is wank.

Best you can say is that Grand Priest is unquantifiably above baseline.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Oh. Yeah.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Plus, any character that isn't Zeno being 2-C is bullshit regardless, so it doesnt really matter by the end of the day.

 

[The_Calaca]

Good thing I'm scaling El Grande Padre to Whis who said he can't compete with him

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Following this dream match...

 

[Ionliosite]

>Dragon Ball having 2-Cs other than Zeno.

This is where the tier comes from, in case you didn't know: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3150938.