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blocks with susanoo.
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(GRACE) Sasuke VS Shigaraki
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Then GG it’s a High 6-B vs a High 6-C what is Shigaraki meant to do?
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Orochimaru's does the same and Sasuke negged it. also i was just being charitable here for the sake of discussion, mind resistance feats that come from willpower are not really applicable to crossverse battles inherently per our equalization rules. so AFO just really doesnt have an answer to Genjutsu here.
Sasuke will neg him inside his realm
Sasuke can use his susanoo without his eyes.
Sasuke fought a guy with multiple sharingan who could rewrite his own death by reality warping
AFO doesnt have more willpower
Shiggy isnt touching Sasuke physically and inside a mental realm Genjutsu is subduing AFO, stealing just isnt a viable wincon here
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Susano'o is restricted.
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Orochimaru’s willpower is pretty trash in comparison to OFA and AFO so that’s not very impressive to overpower him. His dimensions was based on his transfer ritual so he had hundreds x less minds within himself than AFO did before he got massively amplified by Shigaraki’s hatred, which in itself gets constantly amped the more he hates.
Not to mention Orochimaru didn’t have to mentally beat down and subjugate the hundreds of minds within himself with an inferior copy of his own power through a show of willpower. AFO’s management of his vestiges so they don’t overpower him is miles better than what Orochimaru showed, and AFO was getting stomped by OFA for decades before it even got massively amped by All Might.
Sasuke > Orochimaru
Tenko >>> S&S Fight ShigAFO > PLF ShigAFO >= Yoichi > Shigaraki > AFO > Nana
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Also if Susano is restricted Shigaraki ends this with an Air Cannon right after his decay wave. Even if he can’t deal with Amaterasu, which he absolutely can, then he at least incons by one shotting Sasuke with an attack he literally cannot dodge via sheer range.
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He can dodge via the bullshit that is Substitution Jutsu.
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Sasuke > Orochimaru > Kakashi >= Zabuza > Kid Sasuke, actually.
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Search Qurk, blast him again
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Sasuke was in trouble in the Fourth War and didn't even consider using it.
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Because plot contrivance. That thing is actually bs with what it can avoid and has gotten its users out of similar issues to the ones faced in the Fourth War.
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Fine, but what is the fine line between "PIS" and "OoC"?
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Oh you want to go all the way with fear willpower scaling? That’s what, 3 layers?
Tenko >>> S&S Fight ShigAFO >> PLF ShigAFO >= Yoichi > Shigaraki > All Might > AFO > Pre-Surgery Awakened Shigaraki > Stain > Deku (baseline supernatural willpower)
Unless you wanna start getting real nitpicky on Sasuke I don’t think he’s winning this one boss. Orochimaru would get dog walked by Shigarak solo in terms of willpower Sasuke isn’t really special for stomping him.
So Shigaraki decays, Sasuke Jumps and does something, Shigaraki uses Air Cannon and deletes everything for tens of kilometers. What comes next.
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There's more than that, but there's two "I am going to kill myself out of fear" moments in there.
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ok and MHA treats those like baby candy and has individual people scaling above each other upwards of like 12 times over that level of fear all the way back from Stain if you count each vestige in OFA separately since they all have varying willpower amounts but can still withstand Shigaraki’s hatred though lose to it.
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So what does Sasuke do about the Air Cannon that one shots him and has tens of kilometers range which Shigaraki does as his second move after Decay wave.
Also I Swear to god if the next post is “Sasuke > Orochimaru > Ten Ten > Shizune > Kurama > Naruto (amped) > Naruto > Hidan > Konohamaru’s left foot > Animal Path Pain > The Sage of Six Path’s” or something I’m gonna implode.
Also I Swear to god if the next post is “Sasuke > Orochimaru > Ten Ten > Shizune > Kurama > Naruto (amped) > Naruto > Hidan > Konohamaru’s left foot > Animal Path Pain > The Sage of Six Path’s” or something I’m gonna implode.
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Idk how willpower layers are accepted. The thread for the fear manip/social influencing/willpower of MHA was a while ago but that was with scaling rather than layers which idk if they’re the same thing
It’s this thread but it’s outdated since way more information came out since then about how the vestige world works and could use some tweaking since I didn’t yet consider that Nana should be factored into the equation. Not to mention this was before AFO showed that he can suppress his quirks when they try to possess him so probably needs updating but the scaling themselves for supernatural willpower or “Charisma” in MHA are generally accepted.
“Deku w/ Vestiges > Yoichi > AFO = TomurAFO > Awakened Shigaraki = All Might >= Stain”
This was what was accepted but is incorrect as Awakened Shigaraki and PLF/Post-Surgery Shigaraki are not the same with PLF Shigaraki being much stronger mentally. Also ShigAFO is stronger than AFO especially in the S&S fight, idk what I was cooking with that one. Not to mention that Tenko hasn’t been taken into account at all who has higher willpower than basically everyone.
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Oh the AFO stuff was kinda there. Idk needs a slight overhaul depending on how “layers of willpower” operates.
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Stain does not have suicide level fear manip on his profile, and Sasuke can affect guys that don't feel fear with his fear manip.
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Pre-Awakening Shigaraki did that to thousands of people who couldn’t feel fear, got amped by his own hatred, then got stomped by Yoichi.
Sasuke wanting to kill himself from Zabuza sounds like a skill issue based on a strength difference if anything.
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I don't know what you are trying to do here but it ain't working here. You practically led me to believing such with your statements when you could have used a way better wording than what you said bro. This is what I said:
And this was your reply:
Why try acting like the victim here?
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What group of thousands of people can't feel fear?
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No one is acting like a victim, you're making shit up.
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The entire PLF army before he took over had tens of thousands of people in Deika City. They were amped by Trumpet’s Quirk to feel no fear or at the very least feel no fear of death, Shigaraki looked at them and they stopped moving out of fear. Trumpet specifically said his Quirk got drowned out by the fear Shigaraki instilled in them and his Quirk can infect thousands.
Not like the number matters, he can overpower supernatural mental defenses against fear through fear which is what you’re asking for.
Who did Sasuke make scared that didn’t have emotions? Sai? Who has no resistance to fear manip?
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Ah, I see.
Sai's resistance to Fear Manip via a lack of emotion is a justification specifically on the Sharingan page for some reason.
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Sasuke willpower is massively lacking compared to afo who reign supreme against over hundreds of Superhuman consciousness with willpower. Sasuke will get neg diff the moment he decides to go inside Shigaraki's head.
Doesn't he have susanoo because he has the sharingan? If afo where to take his eye abilities Sasuke wouldn't be able to use any abilities related to that eyes.
Prove Sasuke will power is better.
The vestige realm runs on who has the strongest willpower, the moment sasuke enters their he is getting stomped because he simply lack the willpower to subdue afo and he will be under afo control. Sasuke isn't doing anything to afo inside the vestige.
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Sasuke has Pocket Reality Destruction. Wait that's only in CS2, shit.
That said, the fact that he was eroding a dimension through sheer will is a pretty good willpower feat.
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So basedok this thread has become layer cringe so im unfollowing
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Shigaraki was doing this to OFA and got stomped by Yoichi then AFO added his power and they stalemated. Then S&S Fight comes around and they’re way stronger due to mixing together better with Tenko inside both of them being even stronger.
Sealed Kurama who has no say over the realm vs no MS Sasuke that is NOT a feat that would hold up against ShigAFO.
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Kurama, who has no say over the Kurama realm, a realm about Kurama.
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Tell me right now you’re joking saying that Naruto’s prison for Kurama is the same as Kurama’s own mind while he’s still sealed.
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Second consciousness that snaps him out of said Genjutsu the same way any normal person would get out of it or just puppets his body for him.
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Did that really happen?
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That’s literally what AFO is always trying to do, take control of the body and puppet Shigaraki through it. If Shiggy’s mind or abilities get restricted then AFO swoops in like a thirsty vulture and yoinks the controller away.
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