goku

[Urshani]

I heard that Goku has a key where he is 3-A in base but Low 2-C with a transformation. Is this true?

 

[Coolboy6]

Yes. It’s literally on his profile

 

[Urshani]

if goku's transformation is uncountable infinite wouldn't goku be 5-D

 

[Coolboy6]

if goku's transformation is uncountable infinite wouldn't goku be 5-D

Uhhh, I don’t think that’s how it works.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

5-D is not how it works... Transformations aren't a linear power up; it can be massive in some cases but moderate in others. Or massive during certain periods and moderate in others. But we do not assumed such massive dimensional tier jumps without feats to back it up.

 

[Urshani]

5-D is not how it works... Transformations aren't a linear power up; it can be massive in some cases but moderate in others. Or massive during certain periods and moderate in others. But we do not assumed such massive dimensional tier jumps without feats to back it up.

he went from R^3 to R^4 with a transformation, R^4 to R^5 isn't a massive stretch

this is why BoG should be 4-D

 

[Coolboy6]

he went from R^3 to R^4 with a transformation, R^4 to R^5 isn't a massive stretch

You need actual feats/statements to reach 5-D territory

 

[Pepsiman25th]

never before have i seen goku see his entire verse is fiction with just a transformation

 

[Urshani]

never before have i seen goku see his entire verse is fiction with just a transformation

5-D himself =/= 5-D power

 

[Urshani]

You need actual feats/statements to reach 5-D territory

understandable. oh well, might make another l2c bog crt

 

[ShivaShakti]

if goku's transformation is uncountable infinite wouldn't goku be 5-D

6-D Zen'o when

 

[Pepsiman25th]

5-D himself =/= 5-D power

power transformations =/= higher dimensions

 

[Urshani]

6-D Zen'o when

no just infinite 5-D ))

power transformations =/= higher dimensions

but he goes from 3-A to Low 2-C with a transformation, implying said transformation is an uncountable infinite...

 

[Pepsiman25th]

no just infinite 5-D ))

but he goes from 3-A to Low 2-C with a transformation, implying said transformation is an uncountable infinite...

it doesnt make a difference, theres tier 7s who can solo the entire db verse
alot of non smurf 3-As can beat the strongest low 2-C goku just by existing

 

[Urshani]

it doesnt make a difference, theres tier 7s who can solo the entire db verse
alot of non smurf 3-As can beat the strongest low 2-C goku just by existing

don't care

 

[Pepsiman25th]

DB has no real evidence of anything higher than 4-D
you sir are stone walling. being infinite times stronger than someone just places them higher in a tier
being stronger than someone =/= higher dimension

 

[Urshani]

DB has no real evidence of anything higher than 4-D
you sir are stone walling. being infinite times stronger than someone just places them higher in a tier
being stronger than someone =/= higher dimension

yes

infinitely stronger than 3-D is just high 3-A, infinitely stronger than 4-D is Low 2-C (still), and so on

but uncountable infinities, which I am told are the difference between dimensions? That's a different thing. I'm not saying that because Goku > his past self, he's 5-D. I'm saying that he went from 3-D power to 4-D power with SSB. Which is by necessity, an uncountable infinite.

Universe level, Universe level+ as a Super Saiyan Blue (After breaking his limits by achieving Ultra Instinct -Sign- a second time, and after defeating Anilaza, he managed to fight against Jiren, who was finally showing a hint of his full power)

Literally from the profile.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

yes

infinitely stronger than 3-D is just high 3-A, infinitely stronger than 4-D is Low 2-C (still), and so on

but uncountable infinities, which I am told are the difference between dimensions? That's a different thing. I'm not saying that because Goku > his past self, he's 5-D. I'm saying that he went from 3-D power to 4-D power with SSB. Which is by necessity, an uncountable infinite.


Literally from the profile.

where low 1-C at then? where are the mentions of his power being infinite time stronger than all the characters in db at? or am i blind

 

[Urshani]

where low 1-C at then? where are the mentions of his power being infinite time stronger than all the characters in db at? or am i blind

uncountable infinite multiplier of SSB

and the multiplier isn't stated in canon so )

 

[Pepsiman25th]

I present to you you sir
the fallacies you have committed

25. Hasty generalization​

This is an argument where someone takes an insufficient amount of evidence and attempts to form a conclusion from it, while ignoring or not being aware of contradictory evidence.

16. No Limits Fallacy (NLF)​

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits

15. Equivocation​

This is when someone uses two different meanings of a word to imply something that isn't necessarily true.

 

[Urshani]

This is an argument where someone takes an insufficient amount of evidence and attempts to form a conclusion from it, while ignoring or not being aware of contradictory evidence.

what? huh? is there any contradictory evidence of ssb not being an uncountable infinite multiplier (or jiren not instantly killing goku with his uncountable infinite power)

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits

never said this

This is when someone uses two different meanings of a word to imply something that isn't necessarily true.

never did this

stop copying and pasting fallacies.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

you the one out here saying goku power is higher dimensional because he is just stronger than someone
thats a clear NLF

 

[Pepsiman25th]

2nd, you saying because goku is "countably stronger" than someone, he is 5-D which is Equivocation
and lasty, you provide 0 evidence showing goku having higher dimensional power Hasty generalization

 

[Urshani]

you the one out here saying goku power is higher dimensional because he is just stronger than someone
thats a clear NLF

that's not my argument. This is

yes

infinitely stronger than 3-D is just high 3-A, infinitely stronger than 4-D is Low 2-C (still), and so on

but uncountable infinities, which I am told are the difference between dimensions? That's a different thing. I'm not saying that because Goku > his past self, he's 5-D. I'm saying that he went from 3-D power to 4-D power with SSB. Which is by necessity, an uncountable infinite.

2nd, you saying because goku is "countably stronger" than someone, he is 5-D which is Equivocation
and lasty, you provide 0 evidence showing goku having higher dimensional power Hasty generalization

uncountable infinitely stronger

 

[azontr]

yes

infinitely stronger than 3-D is just high 3-A, infinitely stronger than 4-D is Low 2-C (still), and so on

but uncountable infinities, which I am told are the difference between dimensions? That's a different thing. I'm not saying that because Goku > his past self, he's 5-D. I'm saying that he went from 3-D power to 4-D power with SSB. Which is by necessity, an uncountable infinite.

No. That isn't at all how we do this. Goku needs feats for this to pass, which he doesn't have.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

that's not my argument. This is

No Limits Fallacy (NLF)​

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits

So goku power ups have no true limits and with each power up, his power rises to a higher dimension? sayins have no real limits so why isnt goku tier 0?

 

[azontr]

No Limits Fallacy (NLF)​

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits

So goku power ups have no true limits and with each power up, his power rises to a higher dimension? sayins have no real limits so why isnt goku tier 0?

Ultra-Instinct Goku is 6-D confirmed.

 

[Urshani]

No Limits Fallacy (NLF)​

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits

So goku power ups have no true limits and with each power up, his power rises to a higher dimension? sayins have no real limits so why isnt goku tier 0?

Please stop strawmanning my argument.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Ultra-Instinct Goku is 6-D confirmed.

Nuh uh
my mom said he is tier -1

 

[Urshani]

No. That isn't at all how we do this. Goku needs feats for this to pass, which he doesn't have.

I'm not actually arguing for 5-D Goku, just pointing out a flaw in the profiles.

If you want to debate me in detail, here's my discord ◇◇Omninova Stella◇◇#3237

 

[azontr]

Please stop strawmanning my argument.

This isn't a strawman. You're saying because Goku can release 4-D power with transformations, that he can somehow emit 5-D power with other transformations. That is textbook NLF.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Please stop strawmanning my argument.

you still commit Equivocation
being uncountly infinite times stronger than a low 2-C is just higher into low 2-C, not 5-D unless theres actual feats for it. goku has none for this

 

[azontr]

I'm not actually arguing for 5-D Goku, just pointing out a flaw in the profiles.

If you want to debate me in detail, here's my discord ◇◇Omninova Stella◇◇#3237

Mind explaining the flaw in the profile that you're trying to point out?

 

[sanicspood]

lmfao

 

[azontr]

lmfao

Don't be bulli. Maybe just a little bit of bulli.

 

[Urshani]

you still commit Equivocation
being uncountly infinite times stronger than a low 2-C is just higher into low 2-C, not 5-D unless theres actual feats for it. goku has none for this

listen listen

the difference between R^3 and R^4 is an uncountable infinite- exactly what SSB's multiplier is, or is implied to be on the profiles.

says so on the tiering system

Characters who are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

Low 1-C | Low Complex Multiverse level: Characters who can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces

Do not gish gallop.

 

[Urshani]

Mind explaining the flaw in the profile that you're trying to point out?

continue on discord, i hate the time limit here + i can respond in real time

 

[azontr]

continue on discord, i hate the time limit here + i can respond in real time

Or just tell me here so everyone can see it lol.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

listen listen

the difference between R^3 and R^4 is an uncountable infinite- exactly what SSB's multiplier is, or is implied to be on the profiles.

says so on the tiering system




Do not gish gallop.

where it show goku destroying/creating a 5-D structure?

 

[Pepsiman25th]

if it helps, ill say it in red

Goku isnt tier 1. he will never be. he has no hope to even think of having tier 1 power.