goku

[ZillertheBucko]

the funny part is that the original poster is kind of making sense, but you are all strawmanning him to oblivion

 

[Urshani]

where it show goku destroying/creating a 5-D structure?

I said stop gish galloping. Keep your posts to one.

Or just tell me here so everyone can see it lol.

There's no reason you can't share our conversation in this thread. I will go out right now and say that I don't mind.

 

[Urshani]

the funny part is that the original poster is kind of making sense, but you are all strawmanning him to oblivion

EXACTLY

 

[azontr]

the funny part is that the original poster is kind of making sense, but you are all strawmanning him to oblivion

How are we strawmanning him, if I may ask? I'm actually asking him to explain the flaw on the profile. He says that Goku can reach 5-D via a transformation, we say that's NLF, not a strawman at all lol.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

i dont see how goku being stronger than someone makes him 5-D

the funny part is that the original poster is kind of making sense, but you are all strawmanning him to oblivion

have a look at thism he thinks just because goku is uncountably infinite times stronger than someone, he is 5-D

if goku's transformation is uncountable infinite wouldn't goku be 5-D

strawman? or arguing that he provides 0 evidence for it and is doing a bold face NLF

 

[Urshani]

How are we strawmanning him, if I may ask? I'm actually asking him to explain the flaw on the profile. He says that Goku can reach 5-D via a transformation, we say that's NLF, not a strawman at all lol.

you need to reread my arguments...

A thousand thousand thousand times over, and then some, because you don't seem to be understanding it.

 

[Urshani]

have a look at thism he thinks just because goku is uncountably infinite times stronger than someone, he is 5-D

Re-read my arguments. Then re-read the tiering system. Uncountable infinities are the backbone of Tier 1 and 2, they do not work without it.

'Continue on discord', I say again, but this won't work because you two are stubborn.

 

[azontr]

you need to reread my arguments...

A thousand thousand thousand times over, and then some, because you don't seem to be understanding it.

Yes, and I am telling you that is not how we do things. Goku needs feats and statements to get him to 5-D, and he has none.

 

[Coolboy6]

you need to reread my arguments...

A thousand thousand thousand times over, and then some, because you don't seem to be understanding it.

Just because you turn your hair blue, doesn’t mean you’re stronger than most of fiction.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

How are we strawmanning him, if I may ask? I'm actually asking him to explain the flaw on the profile. He says that Goku can reach 5-D via a transformation, we say that's NLF, not a strawman at all lol.

no limits fallacy does not apply here, as he is simply using multipliers, which I'm going to assume has some kind of validity on the wiki? No limits fallacy would be to say that if some character said goku was "the strongest" then goku could beat zeno
but this is just multipliers and it makes sense too
also I don't think the person was arguing for 5-D, this is the biggest strawman of the thread.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Re-read my arguments. Then re-read the tiering system. Uncountable infinities are the backbone of Tier 1 and 2, they do not work without it.

It is also important to know that the difference between the lowest and highest bounds of a given tier is extremely variable and can be absolutely massive in scale. Hence, being far stronger than a character that belongs to a certain tier does not necessarily qualify one for a higher rating.

also in the tiering system

 

[azontr]

no limits fallacy does not apply here, as he is simply using multipliers, which I'm going to assume has some kind of validity on the wiki? No limits fallacy would be to say that if some character said goku was "the strongest" then goku could beat zeno
but this is just multipliers and it makes sense too
also I don't think the person was arguing for 5-D, this is the biggest strawman of the thread.

No, from what he said he was definitely arguing for 5-D.

he went from R^3 to R^4 with a transformation, R^4 to R^5 isn't a massive stretch

this is why BoG should be 4-D

 

[Urshani]

Yes, and I am telling you that is not how we do things. Goku needs feats and statements to get him to 5-D, and he has none.

feats? like him harming the Low 2-C Jiren with a transformation while without it he was previously 3-A?

Yeah that's a pretty big feat

Just because you turn your hair blue, doesn’t mean you’re stronger than most of fiction.

I don't think you understand my point.


goku = 3-a, low 2-c with transformation



low 2-c = uncountable infinite above 3-a



100x, 10000x, 100000000000000x multiplier not enough



must need uncountable infinite multiplier to get to low 2-c from 3-a



therefore: goku's super saiyan god super saiyan has a multiplier of an uncountable
infinite. which is enough to get to R^5 from R^4. which is an uncountable infinite difference and thus Low 1-C. This means there's something wrong with the current scaling

It is also important to know that the difference between the lowest and highest bounds of a given tier is extremely variable and can be absolutely massive in scale. Hence, being far stronger than a character that belongs to a certain tier does not necessarily qualify one for a higher rating.

uncountable infinite multiplier is enough to break the gap from tier 2 to tier 1 considering it did the same for goku's tier 3 to tier 2

also I don't think the person was arguing for 5-D, this is the biggest strawman of the thread.

exactly

I would rather have a Low 2-C BoG than a 5-D Goku. This is why I mentioned making another CRT.

 

[azontr]

feats? like him harming the Low 2-C Jiren with a transformation while without it he was previously 3-A?

Yeah that's a pretty big feat

Ok? So he's Low 2-C then and not Low 1-C, that's all that means.

 

[Urshani]

Ok? So he's Low 2-C then and not Low 1-C, that's all that means.

oooooor JIREN is Low 1-C because of the fact that the scaling is immensely ****** up

which is why i mentioned making a crt

 

[Pepsiman25th]

haha i can destroy a universe so if i become stronger, i can destroy multiple universes, and i stay 3-D and have 4-D power still

 

[Urshani]

haha i can destroy a universe so if i become stronger, i can destroy multiple universes, and i stay 3-D and have 4-D power still

Do not strawman my argument. Then again, you've been doing this the entire thread, so.

 

[Pepsiman25th]

Do not strawman my argument. Then again, you've been doing this the entire thread, so.

and you been doing NLF for saying gokus power is 5-D just because he is stronger than other characters

 

[Coolboy6]

I wonder what’s next, 7-D DBH/DBX?

 

[Urshani]

and you been doing NLF for saying gokus power is 5-D just because he is stronger than other characters

Not my argument. Please re-read this.

oooooor JIREN is Low 1-C because of the fact that the scaling is immensely ****** up

which is why i mentioned making a crt

 

[azontr]

oooooor JIREN is Low 1-C because of the fact that the scaling is immensely ****** up

which is why i mentioned making a crt

What evidence do you have for 5-D Jiren? Because what-ifs aren't arguments.