Goku vs Scourge

[Spinoirr]

Speed is = and both are low 2-C

Goku:

Scourge

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

( T_T)

 

[Spinoirr]

It had to be redone

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Which Goku even is this?

 

[Spinoirr]

Ui goku

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Honestly, I think this comes down to AP and Dura. How powerful is Scourge?

 

[HST_Master]

All Archie low 2-Cs are a little over baseline. Scourge is with extreme difficulty > Base Sonic and Shadow.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Ok then, I'm saying this again. Suppressed Jiren >>> IZ. The multiplier for UIO is 80x blue because the spirit bomb is 2x ssbkkx20, ssj Kefla is 2x that and UIO was equal to Kefla mid battle. Since UIO kept on getting stronger, the third time UIO should be at least 80x blue and that same blue Goku, at the time, is >>> IZ. Jiren then overpowers Goku's Super Kamehameha. A super Kamehame is exactly a 2.2211538462xamp, making the Kamehameha over 177x blue As a heavy lowball, let's say UI is 200x blue, which would only make him a little over 1.1x FP Jiren. This puts him that far into baseline, bare minimum.

UI Goku is also waaay less serious and isn't willing to hold back anymore.

So I vote Goku.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I don't see how Scourge is supposed to win.

Goku is so far above him in power, it's not even funny. Plus, he'll never really hit him due to UI. Even if he could/did, Goku would shrug it off and retaliate.

Unless there's something I'm missing, this comes off as a stomp...

 

[Spinoirr]

Then ssj blue goku

 

[AshenCrow777]

Actually no Scourge destroys UI via reality warping and gives himself boost to outspeed Goku since he as immeasurable speed so instant transmission is useless.

 

[ShakeResounding]

That's 2-A Scourge.

This is like the 4-B matchup, except nothing's changed. Scourge doesn't have the hax like Sonic does to make up for the AP difference. So Goku stomps due to one-shot via anything and Scourge being unable to do anything about it.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Immeasurable speed means nothing when speed is equalized.

Goku FRA

 

[AshenCrow777]

Nope base scourge is wayyyyyyyyy faster than goku and he can augment his speed via his speed augment skill to immeasurable and scourge is over baseline equal to UI goku or a bit over.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Ok, what are you talking about?

Speed is equalized, so Scourge is starting off at the same speeds as Goku. Plus, the Immeasurable rating is only for their Super forms. Shoot, the profiles even state the the Figure 8 just makes them faster, not Immeasurable. I think that detail would be on the profiles,if that was true.

In addition, we have two people stating that Scourge is a bit over baseline vs. UI Goku who has a massive scaling chain with the lowest person in it being baseline.

I kinda feel like someone is taking the piss...

As for the match itself, I think UIO 1 or UIO 2 would be a better matchup.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Nope base scourge is wayyyyyyyyy faster than goku and he can augment his speed via his speed augment skill to immeasurable and scourge is over baseline equal to UI goku or a bit over.

Where did you come to the conclusion that Scourge is equal to Goku in AP???

 

[AshenCrow777]

Sonic raced across multiverses within a day. Sonic traveled to at least 1,000 universes since it was stated in the comic that sonic encountered "a thousand sonics". Now, in the sonic multiverse, every universe has a gap between it which is called the "cosmic interstate". You must run across this interstate to reach another universe; however, only a small portion of it is 148,000 light years

http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/l...user]=143688416&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=38

And remeber, Sonic can also move infinilty fast because he outran time stopper.

And scourge scale from all of these Goku is never ever going to touch him at all.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Scourge's speed is meaningless when speed is equalized. The combatants are set to the same speed. So whatever speed feat applies to Scourge applies to Goku by default, and vice versa.

So, Goku's Instinctive Reaction dodges literally anything Scourge throws at him. Scourge doesn't have Reality Warping in his Low 2-C key. He has the Figure 8 Special, but Goku's Instinctive Reaction literally allowed him to walk casually around a barrage of MFTL+ attacks, so it's not going to help.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Also, isn't that comic from the Post-Gensis era? And Scourge is from Pre-Gensis?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

That is correct, C2.

 

[ElixirBlue]

This is sad. Scourge is Sonic without optional equipment and without FateHax. The Green Sonic Low 2-C punching bag.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Scourge's speed is meaningless when speed is equalized. The combatants are set to the same speed. So whatever speed feat applies to Scourge applies to Goku by default, and vice versa.

Speed boost are allowed in a speed equalized match only base speeds are equalized so yeah Scourge dismantle UI goku.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

This is sad. Scourge is Sonic without optional equipment and without FateHax. The Green Sonic Low 2-C punching bag.

Like I said, if the match was UIO 1 or 2, this would be a lot more interesting.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Speed boost are allowed in a speed equalized match only base speeds are equalized

...And???

1. The feat you brought is irrelevant. It's not done in the Pre-Genesis era, so Scourge wouldn't scale to it anyway.

2. Neither Scourge nor Sonic are listed as being able to go to Immeasurable Speed via amps on their profiles. Only their Super forms have the Immeasurable rating.

 

[AshenCrow777]

. Neither Scourge nor Sonic are listed as being able to go to Immeasurable Speed via amps on their profiles. Only their Super forms have the Immeasurable rating.

Dosent change the fact that Scourge's speed amp puts him still higher than Goku.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Scourge's speed amps. Statistics Amplification via Super Peel Out technique to greatly increase his natural speed or amplify the power behind his punches.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Dosent change the fact that Scourge's speed amp puts him still higher than Goku.

If he uses the amp. If he even gets to use the amp. Even if he does, it just means he's faster which would still be mitigated by the fact that Goku doesn't need to think to fight anymore, which vastly improves his ability to respond. Not too mention that Goku constantly gets stronger and improves when tapping into UI. In addition, it still doesn't change the fact that Goku will oneshot him with anything that connects.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Oh yeah. Scourge doesn't have the One Billioth ring for the Type 8 immortality.

 

[AshenCrow777]

Why everyone is acting like UI is infiable when Jiren can clearly hit goku??? It doesn't matter how well you can doge when someone like scourge can expand the speed gap by matters of seconds.

And he can keep boosting himself goku even in UI will be too slow to doge even if he knows a punch is coming straight for him.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Not to mention, isn't Scourge practically not moving while he preps the Figure 8/Super Peel Out, similar to Spin Dash? Plenty of time for Goku to ki-blast or cop a punch. Also, yes, while Scourge can probably tag Goku with speed amp, his AP amp will do nothing to pass Goku's AP, and Instinctive Reaction still means he has a really good chance at dodging or blocking, anyway. It should also be noted that Jiren's full power was similar to MUI in many ways.

Scenario goes like this, IMO:

After several failed attempts to tag Goku, Scourge Super Peels Out and goes for a hard, fast blow. Goku gets tagged, but grabs Scourge's wrist before it can retract via Instinctive Reaction. Goku one-shots via punch or point-blank ki blast with his free hand.

Like, Super Peel Out or not, Scourge isn't closing that AP gap, and the chances of Goku dodging/blocking are high.