Goku VS Naruto Verse

[LeonRaidenYun]

My friends and I were talking and most of them agreed that Goku would not be able to take on the Narutoverse alone. I have only general knowledge on Goku and the Narutoverse at whole. So, I came here for assistance in this fight.

The main points my friends were saying were that:

Some, if not a majority of the Naruto verse characters are as fast as light.

Goku would be trapped in abilities such as the Shadow Manipulation Technique, Kamui and other hax abilities.

There is no Ki around him, therefore, he cannot Instant Transmission without any form of Ki. There is only chakra in the Narutoverse.


Any thoughts? I disagreed with them, but couldn't really make a tight argument with only general knowledge.

 

[RouninOtaku]

Well if he doesn't have any ki, he's like only superhuman. And btw no Naruto characters are light speed.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Naruto's god tiers are only MHS+. Nobody in the series is lightspeed. Goku, on the other hand, is Massively FTL+.

None of the abilities would work if they couldn't hit him.

Goku would not need to IT. He is a Multi-Galaxy buster. Naruto's highest tier is a planet buster with her best technique.

This is horrible spite in favor of Goku.

 

[Professor_Voodoo]

What. The. Actual. F***?!

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Leon, you have been missing alot of things here VS Battles, man. -_-

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Goku solos the verse casually. His DC and speed is so great, HST are flies in comparison (although his Hax is virtually non-existent save for a useless TK, useless TP and molecular disintegration which every Naruto God and top tier is resistant to but yeah. Naruto-verse stands no chance...)

 

[BlitzStrike]

Naruto's god tiers are only MHS+. Nobody in the series is lightspeed. Goku, on the other hand, is Massively FTL+.
None of the abilities would work if they couldn't hit him.

Goku would not need to IT. He is a Multi-Galaxy buster. Naruto's highest tier is a planet buster with her best technique.

This is horrible spite in favor of Goku.

Basically this^

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

I kept trying to tell them that. I suppose it was simply ignorance.

Though, even if Goku was debunked to the level of speed that Naruto verse does, would he be able to take on hax abilities of Naruto? Those such as Izanagi and Kamui?

Personally, I would have thought him to speed blitz the entire verse on one go. But apparently, as quoted,

"If he's having the entire universe of Naruto attack him all at once, he is not going to be able to take them all on at the same time. That's just too many jutsus going at him. Shadow Manipulation and then Kamui."

They also stated that Goku would be able to be sealed, which was weird...

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Bruh no he solos them easily -_-

 

[LordAizenSama]

i don't think your friends have a clue what they are talking about. narutoverse loses to saiyan saga goku post-king kai training

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

Goku.

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

Here's another argument they brought up that I want to clear off for them.

The Mind-Swapping thing in Naruto. They said that since Captain Ginyu did the same thing to Goku, he could be mindswapped as well.

In this case, I simply argued that he was too fast. Reasonable?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Mind-swapping in Naruto?

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

I'm not sure, one of them stated that one of the Naruto characters (Imu?) can swap minds/bodies with people and they could potentially do it to Goku.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Ino"s technique won't work on Goku she can't use it since he's too fast to perceive..

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

I see. Don't Saiyans have a natural defense against things like that anyways?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Not sure never payed much attention to DB as a kid just watched it for fights.

 

[LordAizenSama]

why don't you just use the "lulz planet bust gg" argument

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

Because thats just lazy. -w-

 

[I_s_u-c_l_o_n_e]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.

With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.
With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

Kaguya put the world under Genjutsu before they had chakra.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

How fast is saiyan saga goku?

 

[FanofRPGs]

MHS+ atm, but soon he will be relativistic

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

If only MHS+ hed get stomped if relativistic he solos.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Sub-rel+, IIRC.

 

[KittBetelgeuse]

Mind-swapping in Naruto?

i guess he talks about the yamanaka clan's jutsus

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Mind-swapping in Naruto?

i guess he talks about the yamanaka clan's jutsus

Yeah took me a bit of time to figure that out because its not really a notable ability in combat.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Sub-rel+, IIRC.

Goku with his Kaio-Ken would be relativistic

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Goku with his Kaio-Ken would be relativistic

I was referring to base, but yeah.

 

[Phantasys]

Have you been talking to FTDS or something? That's the only moron stupid enough to say shit like that in public.

 

[SomebodyData]

Have you been talking to FTDS or something? That's the only moron stupid enough to say shit like that in public.

language...

 

[Phantasys]

Have you been talking to FTDS or something? That's the only moron stupid enough to say shit like that in public.

language...

I wasn't even swearing!

 

[Hyperception]

I wasn't even swearing!

....Yes you were

 

[Vegehan]

Have you been talking to FTDS or something? That's the only moron stupid enough to say shit like that in public.

2edgey4me

 

[Undylan]

Saying S*** is a indeed a swear word.....Just how old are you anyway?

 

[I_s_u-c_l_o_n_e]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.
With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

Kaguya put the world under Genjutsu before they had chakra.

https://plus.google.com/b/116274489685987979051/+TheFantomConvoy1/posts/bA1BdL6UkxR

That has to be an outlier.

 

[Muu0934]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.
With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

Kaguya put the world under Genjutsu before they had chakra.

https://plus.google.com/b/116274489685987979051/+TheFantomConvoy1/posts/bA1BdL6UkxR
That has to be an outlier.

It hasn't been debunk by suceeding Naruto material. Why would it bean outlier?

Not that it makes much of a difference here.

 

[I_s_u-c_l_o_n_e]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.
With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

Kaguya put the world under Genjutsu before they had chakra.

https://plus.google.com/b/116274489685987979051/+TheFantomConvoy1/posts/bA1BdL6UkxR
That has to be an outlier.

It hasn't been debunk by suceeding Naruto material. Why would it bean outlier?
Not that it makes much of a difference here.

Which was debunked? Kaguya's genjutsu, or the link?

I said outlier, or if there is another word for it, because it doesn't make sense that we'd learn how Genjutsu works and know that's how it works just to have a character come in later and completely change it.

 

[Muu0934]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.
With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

Kaguya put the world under Genjutsu before they had chakra.

https://plus.google.com/b/116274489685987979051/+TheFantomConvoy1/posts/bA1BdL6UkxRThat has to be an outlier.

It hasn't been debunk by suceeding Naruto material. Why would it bean outlier?
Not that it makes much of a difference here.

Which was debunked? Kaguya's genjutsu, or the link?
I said outlier, or if there is another word for it, because it doesn't make sense that we'd learn how Genjutsu works and know that's how it works just to have a character come in later and completely change it.

Kaguya's genjutsu.

While at face value it is pretty dumb, there's the issue that Kaguya use of it in a time predating Hagoromo's chakra lending is a canon staple that neither novels or movies have challenged.

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

There is honestly no one in Naruto that can stop Saiyan Saga Goku.
With the whole hax argument a lot of the Naru*fanboys* love to assume that Genjtusu can affect Goku. I really don't think that's true, as Genjutsu has been explained to effect the flow of Chakra in ones brain to many times create illusions. Since no one outside of Naruto has Chakra I doubt that Genjutsu would work.

Though as for other hax I'm not to familiar with them so I couldn't give enough reason as to why they would or would not work on Goku. Or any other character for that matter.

Kaguya put the world under Genjutsu before they had chakra.

https://plus.google.com/b/116274489685987979051/+TheFantomConvoy1/posts/bA1BdL6UkxR
That has to be an outlier.

No not really, calling it a plot hole is stupid because it's an important plot point that Kaguya used Infinite Tsukuyomi at that time and that's also how the White Zetsus were created. Plus, just because Genjutsu was said to affect the chakra in the brain doesn't mean that it can't work otherwise. It was also said to work on the five senses.