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When you put it that way, it sounds like giorno hax isn't that impressive at all.
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Goku vs Giorno Giovanna
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Is Goku 4d, no, he has 4d power but he still follows the rules of causality and time . Maybe zamasu but goku despite being stronger still is not immune .
4d is more than what Goku is .
Not why ger is high 3-A actually. The thread had nothing to do with that .
And? Blowing up a mountain isn't harming a tier 7, still usable.
4d is more than what Goku is .
Not why ger is high 3-A actually. The thread had nothing to do with that .
And? Blowing up a mountain isn't harming a tier 7, still usable.
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Unless ya telling me goku is immune against causuality hax .
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We had a whole thread about the fact that you need proof that you can affect people on this level in tier 2. If I make a thread with Castlevania Dracula and Giorno, who gets stomped? Drac has no causality hax or acausality. Doesn't mean that Giorno would be the one winning.
Goku's power is 4D and that's the thing that GER has to nullify.
I was in the thread that downgraded him from Low 2-C and that was the reason.
That logic is literally like me saying that Madoka pulls off a full on conceptual erasure against YHVH because she destroyed a concept in the multiverse. Doesn't work like that.
Goku's power is 4D and that's the thing that GER has to nullify.
I was in the thread that downgraded him from Low 2-C and that was the reason.
That logic is literally like me saying that Madoka pulls off a full on conceptual erasure against YHVH because she destroyed a concept in the multiverse. Doesn't work like that.
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Drac has enough shit to make up for that .
Except not at all? Ger would effecting cause & effect, not goku .(and ger is 4d anyway, your 4d argument kinda stops there since it kinda is 4d hax ) .
All I remember it being is the fact diavolo erasing time for downgraded , not being an entire timeline and thus being high 3-A not low 2 . I was in that thread too kal .
Yvhv is kinda above that , goku, well he is not on a higher scale than cause and effect .
Except not at all? Ger would effecting cause & effect, not goku .(and ger is 4d anyway, your 4d argument kinda stops there since it kinda is 4d hax ) .
All I remember it being is the fact diavolo erasing time for downgraded , not being an entire timeline and thus being high 3-A not low 2 . I was in that thread too kal .
Yvhv is kinda above that , goku, well he is not on a higher scale than cause and effect .
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GER cannot reflect an attack of that caliber.
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And even if Goku's 4-D power could not be affected by causality manipulation, GER is still faster than Goku and will instantly negate Goku's ability to use his 4-D power.
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But fine , willpower hax , goku powers down, ger than smites .
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Clarification:
- Goku is not a higher-dimensional being. He has Tier 2 power, but that's it.
- Goku is still affected by normal aspects of space and time, at least for right now. He does not have some kind of statement like Jiren, and he's not a transcendent being like Infinite Zamasu.
- GER's "At least High 3-A via hax" comes from the fact that as a side effect of its ability, it undid something that erased 10 seconds of a timeline. This does not mean its ability is purely destructive or that it has some sort of arbitrary power cap, as that is not what it is actually affecting.
- GER's power is 4-D in scale, even if it is assumed to be to a low extent. Even if Goku was 4-D himself, he is not on an entirely different playing field.
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^^^^^^^^^^This
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Yeah but 4D power far above what GER negated.
Ok.
I mean, I get it but it still seems a rather big stretch to say that this allows it to simply say "no" to enough power to destroy a timeline.
I mean, kinda? 10 seconds are 0.00000000001% of a timeline or something like that.
Ok.
I mean, I get it but it still seems a rather big stretch to say that this allows it to simply say "no" to enough power to destroy a timeline.
I mean, kinda? 10 seconds are 0.00000000001% of a timeline or something like that.
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It does not matter, in this case. GER isn't trying to block or tank Goku's attacks. It is using causality manipulation to revert Goku's actions to their original zero state, which he does not have any counter for. He is still bound by the exact same causality GER affects. It does not help that if we are going the route of "Goku destroys the timeline" to try and prevent this, he canonically cannot survive this, and would at best tie, assuming even that.
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Can Goku even bust a timeline? He's Low 2-C via having more raw power than Zamasu, not via a timeline busting feat himself.
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He has more power then something that was a living timeline so he should be able destroy a timeline.Saikou The Lewd King said:
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Assuming he can, if it's the timeline he's actually in, he dies in the process.
Assuming he can, if it's the timeline he's actually in, he dies in the process.
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How do we know that for sure?Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
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4d still 4d. No different than luke mindhaxing kirby . Still the exact same dimensional scale .
Kal, he is not effecting goku, ger is actually effecting cause and effect , the thing goku follows and abides by .
Kal, he is not effecting goku, ger is actually effecting cause and effect , the thing goku follows and abides by .
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Because we were directly told both he and Beerus would die if they reduced the universe to an empty void. This is infinitely less survivable, than that.Darkmon cns said:
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Kal, I told ya, why didn't ya listen .
I litterally just reread part 5 3 hours ago .
I litterally just reread part 5 3 hours ago .
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The real loser of this thread is Kal's reasoning.
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GER should be able to reset Goku back to his base form. Since GER can move at infinite speeds, this means it should be able to punch an infinite amount of times before Goku can react to it, and heal itself whenever its fists break.
Yes each punch is High 8-C, but when you have infinite speed, you can attack an infinite amount of times within an instant. So the energy of each punch will be dispersed all at once.
Yes each punch is High 8-C, but when you have infinite speed, you can attack an infinite amount of times within an instant. So the energy of each punch will be dispersed all at once.
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Or , it could just put him go off guard .
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GER for reasons above
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Isn't this a MASSIVE SPEED STOMP on GER's favor???
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That infinite speed logic to stack damage doesn't fly, GER wins due to causality manipulation and Goku being 3-D with 4-D power can be affected by it.
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Franklin Richards as a kid solos.
Jk voting GER because of causality manip.
Jk voting GER because of causality manip.
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I mean technically , not wrong .
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With infinite speed, Goku can't touch him at all.
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Goku ain't touching Giorno due GER and infinite Speed. But Giorno ain't taking down him either due the stats differences. Until someone can point out how Giorno would beat him, I'm leaning to Inconclusive for now.
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GER beats Goku with causality manipulation
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Willpower manipulation, ultra has a time limit , after that goku is vulberable .
Still wanna say danage reflection or inject lethal poison into his body .
Still wanna say danage reflection or inject lethal poison into his body .
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@Die GRR causality manip only reversed to resetting actions. I still don't see how he will take Goku with it.
@J-man Aren't those Gold experience abilities? I don'r remember GER having those things you mentioned.
@J-man Aren't those Gold experience abilities? I don'r remember GER having those things you mentioned.
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What? He kept the powers , the profile even mentions it .
And causility manipulation extends further than that .
BFR, willpower and death manipulation are apart if it .
And causility manipulation extends further than that .
BFR, willpower and death manipulation are apart if it .
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@Homu Sweet Homu GER puts his opponent in an infinite loop with it
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Ooops, I only looked at the power and abilities section, not the note one. Changing it to Gio Gio then.
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Giorno for the reasons above,
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