Here's the funny thing: after Zen-Oh erased Zamasu, it was still possible to travel to the past.
You could make that exact same counterargument for Zamasu since the only thing he did was manifest through a pre-existing crack in time.
Creating a dimensional portal through hax is not the same as destroying a space time from another separate space time.
I already talked to you regarding the exact same topic. No, destroying the RoSaT does not mean that they were destroying the space time of the universe. Destruction of a pocket dimension is unrelated, unquantifiable and a separate instance. You can destroy a pocket dimension while destroying the universe and you will still be 3-A unless there is proof of the entire space time of the universe getting destroyed. RoSaT's destruction is not a proof of that.
Zamasu's reasoning is that he was said the become the law and order of the universe. Adding to that he was also leaking through another timeline. Both of those cumulatively imply that he was not just merging with the matter, but also the space time of the entire universe.
even if we try to get the standards changed we'll be harrassed and the thread locked/delayed
That makes no sense, the only way you can destroy the ROSAT from the living world is by effecting the 4D axis which means you must be effecting the space times and not just the matter. This is the same logic of beerus and champa's feat. So why? Why does destroying a space time like the ROSAT mean that you aren't affecting space time but effecting a space time like the present timeline or U6 count as affecting space time?
Harassed isn’t accurate and more like “it won’t work at all” with the addition of the fact we have decent chunk of threads that surround this same topic as such, the staffs has already gone pretty tiring of discussing those very same points for that matter.
that's the goal
Usually slipping through it unless it was shown and/or stated warping time which I don’t think we have a lot of examples for that one.
WHY? WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
I would politely ask you to avoid accusations of harassment. Next time I won't be lenient.
Goku and beerus were not just destroying the ROSAT, they are destroying the entire universe INCLUDING the ROSAT, if their attack was going to destroy the universe (either 3-A or low 2-C), but their attack was also gonna destroy a separate space time (affecting 4-D axis), that means the attack was going to destroy U7 WHILE affecting the 4-D axis which is low 2-C. This is the same idea as beerus and champa's feat so please tell me why this applies for beerus and champa but no for Goku, and please be patient with me.
My word, this is the first time I've seen AKM use all caps in a message.
No Shit Sherlock
give me a few minutes
remember, super shenron should be stronger than infinite zamasu, along with the fact that the squad was able to hold back a blast from zamasu for a second and goku considered trying to fight him directly a few times
Yes, which is 3-A power.
Yes, a pocket dimension, meaning a limited amount of detached spacetime continuum, which means unquantifiable power.
No, because the former is 3-A and the latter is unquantifiable. It just means Goku has 3-A power with a limited amount of 4-D power.
No. Beerus and Champa's feat is 2-C because they were destroying 2 universe-sized spacetime continuums. Which means 2 universes worth of 4-D power.
IZ is only Low 2C when he fully merges with the timeline, at that point in time, he only merged with the timeline partially (present and past (partially)), which isn't full on Low 2C yet,
And he would have done it eventually, thanks to super shenron, who is weaker than zeno
But why?
Because universal space time being involved means that you are not only destroying the universe. You are destroying the past, present and future, all snapshots of the universe that ever existed, exist, and will exist. That requires way more burden of proof, which is not fulfilled by "oh look, I destroyed a small pocket dimension along with the universe, so it clearly means I can destroy all snapshots of past, present and future of the universe".
The standards only accept it to be Low 2-C if its a Universal sized Space-Time
Buu and Gotenks also affected the 4-D axis. "Affecting the 4-D axis" is not proof of anything in and of itself. I suggest you read the tiering system and get a better grasp of our standards before commenting on threads.
Nothing, just the assumption that affecting more than 1 universe at once = 4-D by default
it's just his range or whatever
I wouldn’t call how the wiki treats DB “special treatment”
Ok let me rephrase
Wouldn’t that be the equivalent of destroying 2 Snapshots of a single space time?
Because he affected an infinite amount of snapshots, but a finite amount of space in each one
