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goku low 2-c question

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Can someone tell me why the low 2-C thread was rejected? We assume that someone who is 2-C is by default affecting space-time because its breaching the gap between two isolated space-times. Why does the RoSaT only being planetary in size debunk Goku + Beerus affecting space-time? They're still breaching the gap between two isolated space-times, the size shouldn't matter as this isn't an argument to get him to 2-C
 
They would still scale to IZ, but if Goku + Beerus isn't considered Low 2-C idk how Champa + beerus = 2-C
did IZ merged with the timeline? I only recall him merging with the universe, and his head appearing in the past doesnt means that he merged with the timeline
 
Merging with the universe and effecting time means you were effecting time with the 4D axis.
merging with the universe is not affecting time, and affecting a bit of the past is not merging with the timeline either, just a infinitesimal part of it, not enough to Low 2-C. High 3-A at best
 
If Infinite Zamasu is Low 2-C because he affected both the future universe and a minute portion of the present universe, then would Goku not be Low 2-C for affecting both the universe and the Room of Spirit and Time, an undoubtedly larger region of alternate spacetime than what Zamasu affected?
 
merging with the universe is not affecting time, and affecting a bit of the past is not merging with the timeline either, just a infinitesimal part of it, not enough to Low 2-C. High 3-A at best
Significantly affecting the universe is not low 2-C without the mention of time. We know that Zamasu was effecting time because his influence reached the past, so him merging with all of universe 7 would have to include all it's time as well.
 
Significantly affecting the universe is not low 2-C
Yes
We know that Zamasu was effecting time because his influence reached the past, so him merging with all of universe 7 would have to include all it's time as well.
No, his head reaching the past nowhere is a proof of him being able to merge with the entire timeline, even if he did, nobody would scale to that Zamasu, as he was defeated in a High 3-A state, and not Low 2-C, which means High 3-A GoDs at best
 
Yes

No, his head reaching the past nowhere is a proof of him being able to merge with the entire timeline, even if he did, nobody would scale to that Zamasu, as he was defeated in a High 3-A state, and not Low 2-C, which means High 3-A GoDs at best
You missed the part where I mentioned that it's not low 2-C without the mention of time. If a character says they're gonna destroy the universe then they're 3-A but if they're shown effecting time then they're low 2-C. In Zamasu's case, he'd be 3-A if he only merged with the universe, but we see him effecting time as 1 he was influencing a completely separate hyper timeline, because we see him visibly appearing there and 2 whis was able to feel his influence on the present from the future. This proves he was effecting time in his merging, meaning that if he was able to merge with U7 while effecting it's space time, then that would mean he's fused with a low 2-C structure.
 
You missed the part where I mentioned that it's not low 2-C without the mention of time. If a character says they're gonna destroy the universe then they're 3-A but if they're shown effecting time then they're low 2-C. In Zamasu's case, he'd be 3-A if he only merged with the universe, but we see him effecting time as 1 he was influencing a completely separate hyper timeline, because we see him visibly appearing there and whis was able to feel his influence on the present from the future. This proves he was effecting time in his merging, meaning that if he was able to merge with U7 while effecting it's space time, then that would mean he's fused with a low 2-C structure.
No, he didnt, to be Low 2-C, you need to significantly affect it, Zamasu did merged with the universe and his head reached a bit of the past, how is affecting a bit of the past = significantly affecting a timeline? Affecting time is meaningless if its not significantly affecting it
 
No, he didnt, to be Low 2-C, you need to significantly affect it, Zamasu did merged with the universe and his head reached a bit of the past, how is affecting a bit of the past = significantly affecting a timeline? Affecting time is meaningless if its not significantly affecting it
You don't need to affect simply time, you need to significantly affect a low 2-C structure, Zamasu having any effect on time at all is all that you need to prove he was effecting the 4-D axis when he was merging with the universe. The significantly effect part is him merging with the entire universe.
 
You don't need to affect simply time, you need to significantly affect a low 2-C structure, Zamasu having any effect on time at all is all that you need to prove he was effecting the 4-D axis when he was merging with the universe. The significantly effect part is him merging with the entire universe.
I did not mentioned simply time, and Zamasu also didnt siginificantly affected a low 2-C structure, he affected a bit of the past and thats all, overtime feat, nobody scales to his teorical full potential except Zeno
 
I did not mentioned simply time, and Zamasu also didnt siginificantly affected a low 2-C structure, he affected a bit of the past and thats all, overtime feat, nobody scales to his teorical full potential except Zeno
Incorrect. Zamasu did not affect a bit of the past and that's all, Zamasu affected the entire universe when he merged with it, but he also effected the 4-D axis while merging with it so he didn't effect just the 3-A part but the entire space time continuum low 2-C.
Did Zamasu completely merge with the universe by the time Zen-Oh erased him?
Yeah they showed him taking over the whole thing, then after that showed him starting to spread to other timelines.
 
Incorrect. Zamasu did not affect a bit of the past and that's all, Zamasu affected the entire universe when he merged with it, but he also effected the 4-D axis while merging with it so he didn't effect just the 3-A part but the entire space time continuum low 2-C.

Yeah they showed him taking over the whole thing, then after that showed him starting to spread to other timelines.
when did they show him becoming the entire universe
 
Incorrect. Zamasu did not affect a bit of the past and that's all, Zamasu affected the entire universe when he merged with it, but he also effected the 4-D axis while merging with it so he didn't effect just the 3-A part but the entire space time continuum low 2-C.
Affecting the entire universe and a bit of the past, not low 2-C
 
I think he's saying that him appearing in the past proved that he was merging with space-time itself in the future trunks timeline
He didnt completed it, he died before it, he died before becoming low 2-C, meaning all low 2-C characters that have their scales to zamasu are wrong
 
when did they show him becoming the entire universe
they showed him expanding and his face is everywhere, but then he stopped expanding and started attacking, it's also implied he finished because he started effecting other realities as well.
Affecting the entire universe and a bit of the past, not low 2-C
I think he's saying that him appearing in the past proved that he was merging with space-time itself in the future trunks timeline
Yes what ganasto said.
 
You don't need to affect simply time, you need to significantly affect a low 2-C structure, Zamasu having any effect on time at all is all that you need to prove he was effecting the 4-D axis when he was merging with the universe. The significantly effect part is him merging with the entire universe.
Ok so if Zamasu is considered to affect space-time on a universal scale for travelling to another space-time or whatever, why is Goku and Beerus not Low 2-C if their attacks were able to reach into another space-time
 
Ok so if Zamasu is considered to affect space-time on a universal scale for travelling to another space-time or whatever, why is Goku and Beerus not Low 2-C if their attacks were able to reach into another space-time
I don't freaking know man, it's dumb, the only difference between the feats is the other space time that Goku and beerus where effecting wasn't universal in size, but I don't know why that would be relevant at all.
 
it's pretty dummy that it isn't even high 3-A, considering that there is (afaik) infinite space between the heaven and hall of the dragon ball universe
even if I'm wrong though, as long as time chamber is considered part of the universe it's low 2-C by the wiki's logic
 
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