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It's pretty inconsistent actually when he does breathe underwater in Ragnarok. And he survives in places like the spark of the world.
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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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Well in Ragnarok he could be just holding the breath underwater.
And as for surviving in spark of world, writers probably didn't imagine that as him being able to breathe in space.
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So I just noticed the new upgrades for Athena and PoH Kratos to Low 1-C. I'm a bit against it not cuz of the statements made by Cory Balrog or questioning whether or not she'd ascended to a higher plane of existence, but because it makes her actions in the story really confusing. If she was really so insurmountably more powerful than any of the other Gods to the point she jumps three ******* tiers, why did she need to use Kratos in the first place to kill Zeus? Couldn't she have done it herself? What exactly did she need Kratos for? Like couldn't she have just killed him earlier before he'd unlocked the Power of Hope from inside of him?
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She's a manipulator. It's what she does. I've seen people try to justify the Great Evils be greater than her because of that reasoning as well.
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She's manipulative and has become super arrogant after ascending and learning the "truth of reality"
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This argument doesn't really work because she's already above the gods to an insurmountable degree by sheer virtue of upscaling above Fear and the Great Evils. Like, the actual tier difference is irrelevant since even in 2-C, she could oneshot Zeus. The Low 1-C upgrade didn't change that.
To elaborate, she wanted to use Kratos to release Hope for her to use and at the same time manipulate him into wiping out the Olympians so no other being remained besides herself. Considering the fact that dissipating the Flame of Olympus didn't even weaken Zeus, it's very likely she lied entirely about that as well. And she didn't know that Hope was already inside him, the entire plot revolves around the erroneous assumption on her end that the Great Evils were what empowered Kratos and that Hope was still inside the box.
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Honestly, even this is weird. Since like, she had Pandora with her at some point and presumably should've been aware that all she needed to do was chuck her into the Flames of Olympus.
Georredannea15
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When Athena evolved into higher existence, she saw all the truth in that realm and Kratos had to fight Zeus(Fear) to unlock the key to hope. Athena knew that Zeus was frightened, so she put the two of them in a position to fight. This was because she wanted the power of hope for the hierarchy she would create. That's why, she's a manipulator.
Also in Pandora's box, Hope and Fear were mutually repressive forces.
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Er, no. She was entirely blindsided by the fact that Hope was actually within Kratos already. Like, the whole point of the ending was that she was wrong about Kratos drawing strength from the dark powers.
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I would guess that, in the dev's minds, Athena couldn't interact with the lower plane outside of giving powers/energy/etc...
Georredannea15
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That's it. Hope was always inside Kratos, but to unlock Hope, he had to face fear because fear was not a force that could be countered with willpower. It was Athena who did it. It was she who manipulated Kratos.
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She could telekinetically move Pandora around though. Really, she just didn't seem to have thought of doing it herself. Though, it's entirely possible that she just... didn't want to do it herself and wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone.
One thing I find interesting is how much of a blind spot the Great Evils are to Athena. Not only could she not sense them within the gods but she had no idea of the power boost they granted considering she thought Kratos needed all of them just to beat Ares yet Fear alone could wallop his peak godly self.
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It's still weird why she'd need Kratos to kill the Gods when she could do it herself. And your argument that she needed the Power of Hope from inside Kratos, she didn't know Hope was still inside of Kratos. She could've just tried to take the Power of Hope from inside the box herself, then realize it wasn't there. Seems odd she went through all these hurdles if the power gap was so large.
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......Except we blatantly get shown that she didn't know about this. Like, we can speculate that she manipulated Kratos but that's all it is. We get shown by the game itself that she was wrong in her assumption.
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I mean, you seem to think it was some great undertaking of hers for some reason.
Dude, she's been dead for like half an hour by the time the war started. She shows up and sees Kratos fighting Olympus and decides to do the easiest thing and just direct him to the box and Zeus, fix his Blades and just wait for 1 day. It was literally no effort for her.
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Athena deadass didn't know that Kratos took in Hope at the beginning. She was under the assumptions she drew from the Great Evils to destroy Ares and that Hope remained locked inside, but she finally realized what actually went down by the end of GoW3, she even hounds Kratos to tell her how the hell he managed to re-unlock Hope to its fullest potential from inside of him in the end.
Georredannea15
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But I don't know if there is a more logical interpretation than this one we made. Because Athena wanted to protect Zeus at the cost of her life before higher existence, but she said that after evolving into higher existence, Zeus must die. She told us that the reason for this was the reality she saw in higher existence.
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The great evils amp prob depends on the person and situation, like, Zeus was the most paranoid to begin with, and after seeing the world being destroyed by Kratos he was just consumed by fear.
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It could literally just be that she didn't want to do it herself.
The Higher Plane corrupted her when she ascended and her power reached that level. But her nature as a schemer and manipulator was present even before her death, she was just benevolent with it.
It's honestly not that complicated. She thought Hope was still in the Box. And Kratos was already on the warpath so she had to just have one conversation and sit back and let him do her dirty work.
Georredannea15
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Ehhhhhh... Well, although this is not the most correct interpretation in my opinion, it can also be interpreted that way.
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Bro, do you want me to pull up the ending cutscene where she dead-ass has the epiphany that Hope was inside Kratos not the box?
Georredannea15
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Bruh... I think you misunderstood me (Or I misunderstood you.) What I said was for Athena evolving into higher existence. Because the evolved Athena said that Kratos had the power of hope after opening Pandora's box. I have no idea why you're still objecting.
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Do you mean during the end of the game? Then yeah, that makes sense.
I thought you meant that she knew all along, which wouldn't make sense since we got a whole cutscene of Athena assuming the Evils were with Kratos.
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All we can do after the PlayStation Showcase shafted us even a teaser of the next game
Georredannea15
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Yeah
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Wait, they did?All we can do after the PlayStation Showcase shafted us even a teaser of the next game
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Link?All we can do after the PlayStation Showcase shafted us even a teaser of the next game
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Shafted as in didn't give us a teaser. I really hope y'all didn't take it to mean there was a GoW game trailer lol.
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Lol why?
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in new game+ draugr able to raise it's own level
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.....This is just gameplay difficulty balance. Like, that's it. Unless there's a canon lore explanation for it.
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I wouldn't rule it out being something they should actually do, but yeah prolly need some in lore statements
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Speaking of which We need to start finding some feats for enemies across the games.
A shit ton of profiles need making.
A shit ton of profiles need making.
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Once I finally start my GOW watch next week finna make some CRT's for anything that is missing on profiles so be ready 
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