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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

I'm sorry but do we really need the "at most" for Base Atreus's tier?

He has hurt multiple 2-C people with his blows (namely Baldur and Odin) almost as much as Kratos did (and also Freya, in the case of the Odin fight), and has also taken blows from 2-C people pretty well.

He wasn't even that hurt by a serious Baldur's punch to the chest, and when those 2 Valkyries fought him and Kratos (and actually did a good job of pressuring Kratos) and one of them knocked Kratos off the edge, that same Valkyrie proceeded to punch Atreus over and over while the other restrained him, yet he looked absolutely fine afterwards.

He also endured Heimdall's blows from their fight on Asgard.

And Atreus scales to 9 universes worth of 2-C, so it's weird to have him be "at most" when even his base scales to 9 universes.

If it was 2 universes then I'd understand, but not 9.
 
Eseseso said:
I'm sorry but do we really need the "at most" for Base Atreus's tier?

He has hurt multiple 2-C people with his blows (namely Baldur and Odin) almost as much as Kratos did (and also Freya, in the case of the Odin fight), and has also taken blows from 2-C people pretty well.

He wasn't even that hurt by a serious Baldur's punch to the chest, and when those 2 Valkyries fought him and Kratos (and actually did a good job of pressuring Kratos) and one of them knocked Kratos off the edge, that same Valkyrie proceeded to punch Atreus over and over while the other restrained him, yet he looked absolutely fine afterwards.

He also endured Heimdall's blows from their fight on Asgard.

And Atreus scales to 9 universes worth of 2-C, so it's weird to have him be "at most" when even his base scales to 9 universes.

If it was 2 universes then I'd understand, but not 9.
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Tbf alot of these are durability, not that i am crazely against atreus being so strong besides chest anti feat
 
KLOL506 said:
Oh? Where did he say this?

Not like it matters, he's already contradicted by numerous in-game sources on the Blades thing as well as the novel, and the Ares thing is already debunked by both GoW2 the game and its novel to be blatant BFR.
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KLOL506 said:
This one is actually Eric Williams in an official interview, not Bruno, the snippet is on a video of Jon Ford's titled Eric Williams and Cory Barlog INTERVIEW about God of War! at the 4:45 mark where Eric says Kratos is pulled into a dream/nightmare.

Of course, we know from GoW2 and its novel that it's blatantly BFR. There's no other way around it.
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Eh, there is also a Bruno scan about this , anyway I don't think Eric's statement means that , he says he is pulled into it which seems physical and consistent with physical nature of GOWII , the physical dimension itself could be reffered to as Kratos's worse nightmare playing out and thus forcing Kratos to go through his worst nightmare
KLOL506 said:
Here's a bad joke.

Death of the Author. Kratos killed his creator, David Jaffe.

Yeah? No? There goes my comedy career.
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you actually made this joke....
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Eseseso said:
True, but the dude can still hurt Baldur and Odin with his punches.

And his base alone scales leagues above the 5-universe fodder 2-C Greek Gods.
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He staggers them for the most part and while there was some damage done, he's never actually showcased as being on their level outright. All of the rest are just durability feats. He's far more consistently shown as not physically that strong compared to the other gods and mythologival beings, just extremely tanky.

Not only will a good chunk of the Greek gods go to 9 universes soon but like, he's just there cause of the nonsense way we deal with Tier 2. Narratively, lmfao no Atreus isn't meant to be stronger than Cronos in base.
 
KLOL506 said:
Of course, we know from GoW2 and its novel that it's blatantly BFR. There's no other way around it.
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tbf it being a dream/nightmare doesn't contradict it being BFR, just that instead of an pocket dimension he BFRs Kratos into he BFRs him into a weird dream world specifically designed to **** with him, it's not unheard of for stories to have people physically thrown into a dream.

Not that it really matters, doesn't change anything besides giving Ares dream manipulation & immersion if we were to accept it.
 
Planck69 said:
He staggers them for the most part and while there was some damage done, he's never actually showcased as being on their level outright. All of the rest are just durability feats. He's far more consistently shown as not physically that strong compared to the other gods and mythologival beings, just extremely tanky.
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He still does well enough that IMO the "at most" isn't needed, especially since like you said, he's tanky and has tanked a lot of hits.

He doesn't have to be as strong as Kratos to be flat-out 2-C.
Planck69 said:
Not only will a good chunk of the Greek gods go to 9 universes soon but like, he's just there cause of the nonsense way we deal with Tier 2. Narratively, lmfao no Atreus isn't meant to be stronger than Cronos in base.
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I was referring to the likes of Helios, Persephone, and Hermes.
 
Eseseso said:
He still does well enough that IMO the "at most" isn't needed, especially since like you said, he's tanky and has tanked a lot of hits.
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"At most" is because we're not sure of him fully sitting on that level as he's repeatedly portrayed as physically on the weaker end. His durability should scale to plain 2-C though.
Eseseso said:
He doesn't have to be as strong as Kratos to be flat-out 2-C.

I was referring to the likes of Helios, Persephone, and Hermes.
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We have like, no cross-scaling that implies he's stronger or weaker than them, none at all. Again, this is just Tier 2 being shit.

And if we go by actual showcase, they mop the floor with him. But of course this is a flawed way of looking at it.
 
Planck69 said:
"At most" is because we're not sure of him fully sitting on that level as he's repeatedly portrayed as physically on the weaker end. His durability should scale to plain 2-C though.
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That's fair.

Thrud was a threat to Atreus and is clearly far above him, so she should probably be a 2-C.

Even Kratos complimented her fighting, and it's implied that she was already a likely Valkyrie candidate but Odin and Sif wouldn't let her become one.
Planck69 said:
And if we go by actual showcase, they mop the floor with him. But of course this is a flawed way of looking at it.
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Bjorn/Bear Form Atreus go brr.
 
Eseseso said:
That's fair.

Thrud was a threat to Atreus and is clearly far above him, so she should probably be a 2-C.

Even Kratos complimented her fighting, and it's implied that she was already a likely Valkyrie candidate but Odin and Sif wouldn't let her become one.
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Thrud directly scaling is eeeeh. She's stronger than Atreus outright and can kill Einherjar with little issue but like, nothing actually scales her to the top level gods (heck she has even less of a reason than Loki).

Kratos compliments her skill, which doesn't say much for her power. And she's still a Valkyrie in training. She's not allowed to become one but like, it's not like she's already fully fledged and waiting.
Eseseso said:
Bjorn/Bear Form Atreus go brr.
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You do realize he is plain 2-C right? I'm talking about Base Atreus.
 
Planck69 said:
Thrud directly scaling is eeeeh. She's stronger than Atreus outright and can kill Einherjar with little issue but like, nothing actually scales her to the top level gods (heck she has even less of a reason than Loki).
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She was a threat to him twice, first time is when they met (although tbf Atreus was off-guard and not looking to start trouble), and 2nd time was during Ragnarok.
Planck69 said:
Kratos compliments her skill, which doesn't say much for her power. And she's still a Valkyrie in training. She's not allowed to become one but like, it's not like she's already fully fledged and waiting.
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Fair.
Planck69 said:
You do realize he is plain 2-C right? I'm talking about Base Atreus.
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My bad, thought you were referring to Atreus in general.
 
Planck69 said:
He staggers them for the most part and while there was some damage done, he's never actually showcased as being on their level outright. All of the rest are just durability feats. He's far more consistently shown as not physically that strong compared to the other gods and mythologival beings, just extremely tanky.

Not only will a good chunk of the Greek gods go to 9 universes soon but like, he's just there cause of the nonsense way we deal with Tier 2. Narratively, lmfao no Atreus isn't meant to be stronger than Cronos in base.
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Who will the weakest on greeks 9 uni chain
 
Planck69 said:
Kratos compliments her skill, which doesn't say much for her power. And she's still a Valkyrie in training. She's not allowed to become one but like, it's not like she's already fully fledged and waiting.
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Then I think it would potentially qualify for the "possibly 2-C" .
 
BEASTHEART880 said:
Likely to fit the new camera angle.
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This could be it. But the biggest reason is to choose Kratos's actor easier. I'm sure they had plans to release a TV serie when the game came out, and they followed suit, and I think we'll most likely get information about Athena and the green rift from the drama soon. After all, Cory Barlog is a smart man. He doesn't spend the whole thing on one game.
 
KLOL506 said:
@Diamentus Kudos to whoever the **** wrote the intro for the Domain of Death on the GoW wiki, absolute madlad LMFAO: https://godofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Domain_of_Death

In all seriousness however, we shouldn't use the GoW wiki to find the legitimacy of anything lore-related or even use it as proof for anything within the games, as some parts can be highly-exaggerated or just written by clueless people who know nothing about Battleboarding.
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"The Domain of Death is Thanatos's realm, where Kratos had gone to rescue his brother, Deimos, who was held prisoner there since childhood. It is a 4D universe, lacking time entirely".

Well, one simple question: If Thanatos' realm is devoid of Time entirely, how did Deimos age?
 
CrisisCrysis said:
"The Domain of Death is Thanatos's realm, where Kratos had gone to rescue his brother, Deimos, who was held prisoner there since childhood. It is a 4D universe, lacking time entirely".

Well, one simple question: If Thanatos' realm is devoid of Time entirely, how did Deimos age?
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It exists outside of the time and space of the mortal universe but like, I don't know about it lacking time. I think it just has its own flow like the other Primordial Realms.
 
Then how deimos aged might have a answer in the og mythology
Also since i seen before og myths being used for gow scaling (iirc heracles lifting the world for Atlas) if i am not trippin what Would be the standards
 
Diamentus said:
We use myth scaling for Hercules because of the 12 labors still being done canonically.
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It's not even myth scaling. The labours that are relevant to their statistics are directly referenced as having been done. We don't actually use pure myth answers for these things.

Besides, there's no Domain of Death in myth anyway.
 
Planck69 said:
It's not even myth scaling. The labours that are relevant to their statistics are directly referenced as having been done. We don't actually use pure myth answers for these things.

Besides, there's no Domain of Death in myth anyway.
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Oh sad
 
You know something I just thought about? Kratos feat of viewing Zeus' fury in slow motion could get yield FTL results. Its similar to a feat from The CW Flash where Barry views lighting in slow motion. Could be extra justification for Demigod Kratos speed.
 
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