God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[Lgamer099_99]

Again, this is explicitly referring to Baldur's curse, not his strength level. Not to mention Kratos was incredibly rusty in the beginning of their first fight and clearly not operating at the same power level as in GOW3.

Moment the curse wears off, this is the end result.

Someone would Just argue that holding back Kratos Is still stronger than everyone he has ever faced before Baldur.

I am not supporting the novel, I am questioning It instead.

I think novel contradicts game and authors' words contradict both as well.

In the canon of the novel It should be holding back Kratos ≈ Baldur > Zeus

In the games, Ragnarok actually implies that Kratos defeated many greater than Heimdall, which would not make any sense with Baldur being above greek pantheon lol.

Also narrative wise Thor implies that Kratos was in a "lesser" version of him and he wanted to face the one who destroyed the greek pantheon.

Basically, the novel contradicts the games and some authors's statements I think, that's why I am asking, Is It worthy for Glass to spend time on the novel?

 

[KLOL506]

Someone would Just argue that holding back Kratos Is still stronger than everyone he has ever faced before Baldur.

Two official blogs, two official WoG and one interview from Eric, as well as the "muscle atrophy" statement in the novel will kill this notion deader than their beliefs.

I am not supporting the novel, I am questioning It instead.

I think novel contradicts game and authors' words contradict both as well.

Novel is secondary canon, any contradiction favoring the game.

The novel has the fights be a complete non-factor to Kratos, he doesn't screw around and finishes them off faster than they can blink.

In the canon of the novel It should be holding back Kratos ≈ Baldur > Zeus

No. The epilogue of the novel is a hard counter to this scaling statement. Kratos threatens to completely obliterate every bone in Baldur's body the moment the curse wears off.

In the games, Ragnarok actually implies that Kratos defeated many greater than Heimdall, which would not make any sense with Baldur being above greek pantheon lol.

Again, that's not what the novel implies in the least bit. In both the novel and games, Baldur doesn't stand a chance against enraged Kratos, only reason he's still standing is because of his curse.

Also narrative wise Thor implies that Kratos was in a "lesser" version of him and he wanted to face the one who destroyed the greek pantheon.

That's Ragnarok, not 2018.

Basically, the novel contradicts the games and some authors's statements I think,

Misunderstandings stemming from these "contradictions" being taken out of context.

 

[Omegabronic]

I meant what’s the most powerful character that hope kratos can beat?

well just Bring up the most powerful you know that he could beat? (Since KLOL is not omniscient)

not in the current mortal form, wait until the ascension

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Someone would Just argue that holding back Kratos Is still stronger than everyone he has ever faced before Baldur.

I am not supporting the novel, I am questioning It instead.

I think novel contradicts game and authors' words contradict both as well.

In the canon of the novel It should be holding back Kratos ≈ Baldur > Zeus

In the games, Ragnarok actually implies that Kratos defeated many greater than Heimdall, which would not make any sense with Baldur being above greek pantheon lol.

Also narrative wise Thor implies that Kratos was in a "lesser" version of him and he wanted to face the one who destroyed the greek pantheon.

Basically, the novel contradicts the games and some authors's statements I think, that's why I am asking, Is It worthy for Glass to spend time on the novel?

Kratos always underestimates himself.
It's common in all three novels. This from point of view of a rusty weak Kratos.
Baldur cannot be stronger than Greek Pantheon if this Kratos hasn't even awakened his dormant powers.
We should always favour scenarios and circumstances which makes sense in story.
If people outside believe Baldur is some 5D monster who solos 4D Greece, than I sorely disappointed in them.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Kratos always underestimates himself.
It's common in all three novels. This from point of view of a rusty weak Kratos.
Baldur cannot be stronger than Greek Pantheon if this Kratos hasn't even awakened his dormant powers.
We should always favour scenarios and circumstances which makes sense in story.
If people outside believe Baldur is some 5D monster who solos 4D Greece, than I sorely disappointed in them.

I am not saying that lol, I am Just point out tho that the novels just talks about strength. For the novel Is not valid, so why waiting for Glass finishing It instead of working on Ragnarok?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I am not saying that lol, I am Just point out tho that the novels just talks about strength. For the novel Is not valid, so why waiting for Glass finishing It instead of working on Ragnarok?

I never accused you, just taking flak shots at certain discord scalers. nvm.

Idk, it can give haxxes and stuff.
Personally I don't mind keeping it for later.

 

[TheGod]

Tbh I've seen more "lol Thanatos crushes Odin" or "lol Hercules slaps Thor" then I've seen Norse wank since Ragnarok , guess Nostalgia is now overtaking recency bias.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Fickle fanbase

 

[Planck69]

That and where 2018 was elusive with the overall power levels of the Norse pantheon, we got hard confirmations in Ragnarok. Doesn't help that Odin and Thor lacked the spectacle and hype of some of the Greek deities.

 

[Planck69]

Tbh I've seen more "lol Thanatos crushes Odin" or "lol Hercules slaps Thor" then I've seen Norse wank since Ragnarok , guess Nostalgia is now overtaking recency bias.

Then again, I just saw The Last Spartan beat Odin so you may be right.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

There’s also the fact fimbluwinter seemed to weakened kratos and Atreus magic(I think)

 

[KLOL506]

There’s also the fact fimbluwinter seemed to weakened kratos and Atreus magic(I think)

It only weakened their armor and item magic, not their own innate magic.

 

[TheGod]

9000 miles tall Ares better be there by tommorrow.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

It only weakened their armor and item magic, not their own innate magic.

Ah, ok I wasn’t sure which it was affecting

 

[chosen]

Tbh I've seen more "lol Thanatos crushes Odin" or "lol Hercules slaps Thor" then I've seen Norse wank since Ragnarok , guess Nostalgia is now overtaking recency bias.

I seen more mfs say Thor solo anyone in greek besides maybe zeus

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

So no Norse god can take down any of the Olympus 12?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I seen more mfs say Thor solo anyone in greek besides maybe zeus

Generous interpretation, but isn't wrong.
Can be anything honestly

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Is even the weakest of the 12 olympians still more powerful than the Norse gods?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Who is weakest Olympian?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Who is weakest Olympian?

I don’t know who exactly but my guess is probably Hermes and his air jordans

 

[Planck69]

Is even the weakest of the 12 olympians still more powerful than the Norse gods?

Not even remotely.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Not even remotely.

How would it end though if the Norse and Greek pantheons fought each other?

 

[TheGod]

I seen more mfs say Thor solo anyone in greek besides maybe zeus

Its not that ridiculous, it requires overlooking hax and/or some weird crossscaling of resistances but can be done as Gilver said , saying Last Spartan beats Odin is a lot worse then that considering that is literally 8C vs 2C

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

How would it end though if the Norse and Greek pantheons fought each other?

Norse, purely out of numbers.
But if match happens in Greek soil. Sisters of Fate **** hard.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Is Hermes the weakest of the 12 gods who is it if he’s not?

 

[chosen]

Who is weakest Olympian?

From what who we seen hermes or helios prolly iirc

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

From what who we seen hermes or helios prolly iirc

Persephone is weakest.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Norse, purely out of numbers.
But if match happens in Greek soil. Sisters of Fate **** hard.

What if it’s just the big guns then

12 olympians are the big guns in Greek myth

who are the big guns in Norse or they don’t have a group like the Greeks?

 

[chosen]

Persephone is weakest.

Ngl i keep forget that bitch was a olympian

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

What if it’s just the big guns then

12 olympians are the big guns in Greek myth

who are the big guns in Norse or they don’t have a group like the Greeks?

They are quite divided in factions.
That's the problem with Norse.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I finally have it guys giga chad kratos


btw this is my 14000 post

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Ngl i keep forget that bitch was a olympian

Tbh, Hermes would still be weaker.
But I bet his kicks would hit hard while his punches will be meh

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

14000

Woe

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Woe

I’m trying to reach around 21,000 so I can surpass @Emirp sumitpo. Then I will be the list of users with the most comments.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Only 6999 to go

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

They are quite divided in factions.
That's the problem with Norse.

What faction is Odin in, let’s just go with odin’s faction since he’s the leader and the strongest

 

[Planck69]

How would it end though if the Norse and Greek pantheons fought each other?

On average, the Norse are stronger but like, Zeus should be able to dominate in the end.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Only 6999 to go

Actually 7206 to go though I think I need 7205 to surpass it

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

What faction is Odin in, let’s just go with odin’s faction since he’s the leader and the strongest

What Planck said.

Although I have heard peeps like Starkadr the Jotun can give Thor a run for money. So if factions had better unity. Match would have favoured them. Relatively

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

On average, the Norse are stronger but like, Zeus should be able to dominate in the end

What about Poseidon and hades, they should too since they are part of the big three and are strong too.