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And yet somehow they know the life choices of every single person to make a somewhat decent prediction of the future. Well in general they suck
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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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Oh that's interseting
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He was a Titan that came to the side of the Olympians.
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Homie was a whole ass turncoat
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That's just blatantly not true, though, and even predicting a different possibility would contradict them (plus, for the billionth time, they admit they don't even look at what does or could happen in the same way that giants do or the card game suggests, they just know enough about people to predict decisions). I don't even see a point in debating this since I'm not even being given much material for a debate at this point.
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On another note, I don't even think the card game is necessarily proof even if the Norns weren't retconned.
It doesn't say the Yggdrasil contains an infinite number of potential timelines, it says the Well of Fate allows the Norns to see an endless number of possibilities, and they can play out many timelines of events. This is a very important distinction.
First off, timeline doesn't necessarily mean alternate reality, it can also just mean order of events.
Secondly, in order for there to be something like 2-A, it'd have to be confirmed that each endless possibility generates a (confirmed) timeline unto itself rather than just being something that can be seen.
Lastly, this is a bit of an expansion on the previous point, but since all they say is that possibilities and not timelines (again, assuming they're even actual alternate timelines) themselves are endless, we don't really know the mechanics of this. For all we know, it could be like Dragon Ball where timelines aren't generated naturally, but through intervention.
It doesn't say the Yggdrasil contains an infinite number of potential timelines, it says the Well of Fate allows the Norns to see an endless number of possibilities, and they can play out many timelines of events. This is a very important distinction.
First off, timeline doesn't necessarily mean alternate reality, it can also just mean order of events.
Secondly, in order for there to be something like 2-A, it'd have to be confirmed that each endless possibility generates a (confirmed) timeline unto itself rather than just being something that can be seen.
Lastly, this is a bit of an expansion on the previous point, but since all they say is that possibilities and not timelines (again, assuming they're even actual alternate timelines) themselves are endless, we don't really know the mechanics of this. For all we know, it could be like Dragon Ball where timelines aren't generated naturally, but through intervention.
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Never said they control time or fate.
Not really, tell that to baldur.( they quite litterly never say that. my point is that while yes they make there prophecy’s based on the people in them, they acquire this info via the well of udr.) I’m not exactly working with much either, besdies this was only brought up because of discussion of Yggdrasil being 2-a cause of infinite timelines
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Based?This is the only thing you're getting
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BTW, what do you think of the whole "Infinitely larger than a Low 2-C structure = 2-A or Low 1-C" thing going on recently?
Kingdom Hearts got it via that logic, though I am not so sure if the same applies to Yggdrasil here. Sure, each branch is infinitely larger than the realms, but given that the branches are still more or less connected to the main tree of Yggdrasil, can we really call it a 2-A structure? I honestly don't know how the ramifications of the whole "Infinitely larger than Low 2-C = 2-A or Low 1-C" thing works, I only know that to reach Tier 1 you also need a statement of higher existential superiority and whatnot.
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Yggdrasil transcends and encompasses all of time and space so it doesn’t matter if it’s in the well of udr or not.
Well I found this screenshot that stats they are though I’m not sure how legit it is
In terms of how there generated, I’m not sure
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Never said you did.
Ok, cool. Acquiring past info via the Well is fine and dandy, but it still renders the card statement about them peering into (key word being peering into, or 'revealing', not predicting) the future/future possibilities invalid, which is what I'm getting at.
Yeah, that's why I said this at the start.
I'm planning on something like that with the Time Vortex from Doctor Who, but it's different because the Time Vortex explicitly extends beyond the entire omniverse, which is an infinite collection of infinite and infinitely expanding multiverses in a transcendental manner.
I'm not sure here. Simply transcending (which doesn't necessarily mean an order of infinity) 4-D time-space nets Universe level+, though, so I imagine transcend space-time on a 2-A scale would be 2-A.
Yeah it does matter, because it could reduce the rating to transcending Low 2-C or 2-C.
We definitely should get that vetted. That kind of thing would get accepted, as well.
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I can see infinitely larger than a Low 2-C structure being 2-A. It is kind of logical if you think about it. But i fail to see how it could possibly reach Low 1-C.
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I know, that’s why I’m bringing up the 2-a stuff. The norns are basically irrelevant in this discussion
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I think the main problem is that people see 'transcending' and automatically think 'it's infinitely more powerful'.
Transcending has multiple different meanings, and it can be muddled with context.
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Basically each branch is infinitely larger than the realm sitting on them (The branches stretch out to infinity) but the branches are still overall part of the Yggdrasil as one single unit. But is simply being infinitely larger than the realms enough to constitute for a 2-A instead of just being a 2-C structure for housing said realms? I mean sure, the tree trivializes Realms so casually but don't you need blatant statements for higher existential superiority for 2-A in this case as well?
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IIRC that's mostly left for Tier 1 shenanigans. Not sure TBH, my head struggles to understand the idea of the whole "infinitely bigger than something = higher layered tier" system.
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While the tree trivializes realms, true, the statement in and of itself is lacking the whole "higher existential superiority" statement in bold, that's kind of what makes the statement so vague to qualify for higher tiers.
Again, retconned by Ragnarok. The timelines simply don't exist.
In terms of how there generated, I’m not sure
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Assuming each or even just one realm is 2-A, then it'd be Low 1-C.
But I think being one structure that's infinitely larger than a collection of Low 2-C (thusly 2-C) realms is 2-A.
You literally have to be dimensionally outside/higher in order to qualify (much like how fictional characters see 2-D beings as spatially flat). The Yggdrasil certainly wouldn't qualify, especially when characters can physically traverse it.
At least that's just from what I know. Rules could have changed.
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What do you mean by that?
And agian ragnarok never stated that it doesn’t have timelines in it
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Simple, you need blatant statements of higher power being involved. Guess who's got that. Athena. Only reason she isn't Low 1-C yet is because we know ****-all about this realm of higher power.
It doesn't have to. The well merely needs to not operate, look like, or even exist in the manner which the Cardgame describes it as.
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I see.
Ah. Sadge. Thanks for clarifying.
I think that's still the case, maybe the KH realms being 2-A and it being dwarfed by something even bigger that views said realms as spatially flat might explain its recent upgrade to Low 1-C. I could be wrong tho, I haven't checked the thread's tidbits all that much.
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You mean like Ymir’s realm tear or something?
not stated either, what dose the card game describe it as exactly?
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We all do, especially the arguments still trying to claim Norse Kratos > Greek Kratos when multiple official blogs, WoG from directors in interviews and Ragnarok itself shoot that argument in the foot with a Barrett M107 rifle.
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No. Athena doesn't work on that premise.
Alongside the Artbook describing it to have the same build layout as the Well in the Realm Travel Room, the cardgame states that the Nornir stare into the Well to view endless future possibilities, which we both know at this point is not true- the Well of Urd is just a random-ass lake, and inside the lake there is the home of the Nornir where they reside, in a room covered by threads mainly. They don't do any multitasking of the Threads, they just sit on their asses and spectate what ******-up life decision the mortals or gods will make and predict what doom befalls them based on those choices.
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I get the idea of Norse Era Being stronger at least In terms of raw strength given God's get stronger via age but I don't like how peeps treat like it's Dragon Ball where Norse Kratos Would one shot em like they were random fodder
People acting like Zeus got surpassed like it was Tuesday where the man himself would tear thru Norse pantheon like it was Tuesday unless ur Odin and Thor to a lesser degree ya getting cooked
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Yes, indeed, we all know Norse Kratos is fodder who has trouble with 9-C rock monsters.
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Um ok
They do but whatever, ok so they retconed it’s design still wouldn’t mean it doesn’t have timelines in it
edit: am now that I think about it didn’t the card game state the well was in the bowls of Midgard instead of under the physicy form of Yggdrasil ?
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LMFAO people treat God of War like some shonen verse when it's much deeper and more metaphysical and that. God of War isn't about talk-no-jutsu and asspulls, it's about a man who has lost everything due to being wronged by the gods and is now consumed by vengeance to kill them all and try to bring back some semblance of humanity to repent for his sins, because at the end of the day, nobody hates Kratos more than Kratos himself, the man went suicidal after learning that he would never be freed from his nightmares. Poor man just wanted to sleep peacefully for one night, instead they take away his ability to die and thus causes a chain reaction that destroys an entire pantheon.
Norse GOW is all about Kratos leaving behind that aspect of himself and using his newfound curse to start anew, in order to have a second chance at life at being a good father to his son, to prepare him for the harsh worlds and gods they will have to face in order to finally live in peace, only to learn they were embroiled into their conflict ever since the day they magically popped up into their territory and were destined to stop it regardless. So Kratos has to prepare his son for that and ultimately they were both rewarded for their efforts beyond their wildest dreams.
On that note, Norse Side has the best showcase of physical strength feats while the Greek side has the best showcase of speed, hax and battle prowess across all forms.
Even if we assumed for a second that Thor and Odin were comparable to Zeus even while ignoring all the crazy Zenkais Zeus underwent, what answer do they have to Zeus casually whisking their souls away with the movement of a finger? Norse got butchered in terms of hax resistance showcases, hard. Zeus was legit built different.
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Literally this. Altough one other big problem in fiction is how higher dimensionality is potrayed. Rarely will you see an accurate representation of how a lower and a higher dimensional beings perceive each other.
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That's good and all, unfortunately Level 1 Draugr >>>>>>> Fear Zeus.
For real tho it gets super annoying. I see this shit a lot on Youtube.
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We just need to list the super-unique ones that have the super-unique hax.
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Not interested, give me 9k miles Ares and furiesThis is the only thing you're getting
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Die of confusion on where 90% of the greek gods are at
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