God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

If someone who never played Gow before played all it's games i can 1000% guarantee they would disagree with the notion Kratos is a Multiverrsal infinite speed character

????

using dubious novels claims which contradict the primary source is laughable.

Sir let me be perfectly clear.
You haven't written those novels, nor do you own the those as franchise. Same goes for any secondary material.

You have absolutely zero authority to decide whether or not novels are "dubious" or "non canon" or whatever.
They are secondary canon without even needing such a clarification from official sources.

If you think you can just dismiss it or suggest others to do so then it just comes off as petty arrogance and weak attempt to disqualify feats.

 

[Dienomite22]

play the games it's that simple.novel statements contradicts what happens in the game so much you have to turn your brain off to make them work

screaming cope seethe and mald makes you come across as a child

Even if you're right that doesn't stop the novels from being confirmed secondary canon.

But I'll ask once again

where would you place Surtr, Ymir and Yggdrasil?

 

[GodOfThunder]

he's talking about him struggling with crates i'm not arguing Kratos is that level stop twisting it into making it seem game mechanics cant make Kratos have super speed let alone infinite speed

if they wanted too they would have shown it already but they haven't

 

[GodOfThunder]

????

Sir let me be perfectly clear.
You haven't written those novels, nor do you own the those as franchise. Same goes for any secondary material.

You have absolutely zero authority to decide whether or not novels are "dubious" or "non canon" or whatever.
They are secondary canon without even needing such a clarification from official sources.

If you think you can just dismiss it or suggest others to do so then it just comes off as petty arrogance and weak attempt to disqualify feats.

im not arguing their canonicity but the game takes first priority and in ALL the GOW games he just just isn't what he's portrayed as here

 

[KLOL506]

he's talking about him struggling with crates i'm not arguing Kratos is that level stop twisting it into making it seem game mechanics cant make Kratos have super speed let alone infinite speed

There is no twisting to be had here, period. This is literally what that video is about, it's not just about speed but also about a generalization of all of Kratos's capabilties.

if they wanted too they would have shown it already but they haven't

Again, that's an issue with the "has to be on-screen" mentality you have and the fact that you can't fathom how our site standards work on feat collecting in general.

 

[KLOL506]

im not arguing their canonicity but the game takes first priority and in ALL the GOW games he just just isn't what he's portrayed as here

Which is just so blatantly wrong it will make everyone here laugh at you because of how stupid and dishonest your arguments are. Not you, but your arguments.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

im not arguing their canonicity but the game takes first priority and in ALL the GOW games he just just isn't what he's portrayed as here

Same can be said for any character in fiction accross all media.

They rarely portray what is claimed.

 

[Dienomite22]

im not arguing their canonicity but the game takes first priority and in ALL the GOW games he just just isn't what he's portrayed as here

That's why descriptions, novels, WoG, comics, and other canon sources are there to elaborate on events that take place in the game.

 

[Omegabronic]

"contradicts what is shown in the games" uuuuhhhhhhh
atlas be like:

 

[GodOfThunder]

I can get someone who's never consumed Dragon Ball media to say Goku is Tier 5, what's your point here?

Honestly, I could care less what you think of Kratos' speed. As per site standards, abusing game mechanics for statistics isn't a thing we do here. So if you want to change that, revise the rules and come back here. Otherwise, don't really be surprised that no one takes you seriously.

except that Goku has on screen destroyed a planet.

people here say that Kratos has speed that goes against what the game shows then when you bring it up it's usually outlier or the game mechanic excuse

cant handwave everything shown IN GAME

 

[KLOL506]

"contradicts what is shown in the games" uuuuhhhhhhh
atlas be like:

Don't forget my boy Thanatos's Domain of Death

 

[Diamentus]

Hey guys, Saitama is actually only country level now since we disregard all forms of novels/comics or manga.

 

[GodOfThunder]

That's why descriptions, novels, WoG, comics, and other canon sources are there to elaborate on events that take place in the game.

yes that is true but when that stuff contradicts the primary source that is when you run into problems

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Your logic is so bad it doesn't even work with any speed above average human.

I guess games like DBXV and Heroes are just superhuman at best now.

@GodOfThunder

This offer still stands.
It's clear you aren't winning any hearts in this thread. Let's not clog this with same drivel repeated in different words and take it somewhere else so others can have some productive or fun discussion.

 

[GodOfThunder]

Hey guys, Saitama is actually only country level now since we disregard all forms of novels/comics or manga.

this argument makes 0 sense he has a feat(albeit shared) of destroying countless stars

 

[Diamentus]

this argument makes 0 sense he has a feat(albeit shared) of destroying countless stars

In the manga. We disregard novels now, remember? So he's only country level.

 

[GodOfThunder]

@GodOfThunder

This offer still stands.
It's clear you aren't winning any hearts in this thread. Let's not clog this with same drivel repeated in different words and take it somewhere else so others can have some productive or fun discussion.

im not here to argue DB heroes

weaker character in the manga showed super speed

Problem is the high tiers in Gow have pathetic showings (Hermes)

 

[Dienomite22]

yes that is true but when that stuff contradicts the primary source that is when you run into problems

That's why we don't use stuff that contradicts primary source stuff.

Let's talk about in-game and on-screen stuff. What tier would you place Surtr, Ymir, and the Yggdrasil? Oh also Atlas and Ouranos?

 

[KLOL506]

except that Goku has on screen destroyed a planet.

And then immediately proceeds to get hurt by a rock, rammed by a train and other characters get hurt by shit weaker than them.

people here say that Kratos has speed that goes against what the game shows then when you bring it up it's usually outlier or the game mechanic excuse

Brother we have gone about this song and dance numerous times, your claim of this "game mechanics" being an excuse is highly fallacious and should be dropped immediately, because this is not how feat collection is performed.

cant handwave everything shown IN GAME

You actually can, especially when contextually and lorewise they have feats far surpassing these minor feats of "struggling" that amount to absolutely nothing in the long run. Literally what's stated in our Game Mechanics page:

• Many game characters, including various Nintendo, retro video game, and JRPG protagonists, are incapable of destroying simple structures such as rock walls. However, they are capable of harming enemies who have endured a mountain- or even universe-destroying scale of damage, and recurrently have many similar feats in the lore of their respective verses.

 

[Planck69]

If your not arguing the canonicity of secondary material then what's the point here? Helios' feat is an in-game on, the only secondary canon used there is for the size of the Underworld. The Sisters of Fate micromanaging and weaving threads across the world and time is in-game, novels just confirm the sheer scope of them. The Primordials dwarfing the cosmos is shown to us in an opening cutscene, secondary canon again, just confirms the heavens being infinite. There's little argument of substance here at all beyond what all video game characters have to deal with.

 

[GodOfThunder]

In the manga. We disregard novels now, remember? So he's only country level.

the manga is the primary source my friend secondary source would be the anime or guidebooks

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

this argument makes 0 sense he has a feat(albeit shared) of destroying countless stars

Using the same logic and purely visuals.

Primordials are MFTL+ and 4A. Who are surpassed by Titans who in turn are surpassed by God's who ultimately get mollywopped by Kratos.

 

[KLOL506]

yes that is true but when that stuff contradicts the primary source that is when you run into problems

And you have shown no proof whatsoever where the novel stuff contradicts the cosmic showings or the actual speed feats of the games.

 

[Diamentus]

the manga is the primary source my friend secondary source would be the anime or guidebooks

The webcomic was the first release of Saitama. The webcomic is not the manga, thus the proof don't count, right? Primary canon, secondary canon, clearly doesn't matter. Nor does WOG, intent, statements, or lore matter to you. So, Saitama is only country level now.

 

[KLOL506]

the manga is the primary source my friend secondary source would be the anime or guidebooks

Incorrect, the original webcomic is the primary canon, manga is secondary, anime is tertiary and guidebooks are quarternary.

 

[Omegabronic]

Don't forget my boy Thanatos's Domain of Death

or uranos and ceto star punching

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

im not here to argue DB heroes

weaker character in the manga showed super speed

Problem is the high tiers in Gow have pathetic showings (Hermes)

When I smell double standards and hypocrisy, I feel the need to confront. So don't blame me.

 

[GodOfThunder]

If your not arguing the canonicity of secondary material then what's the point here? Helios' feat is an in-game on, the only secondary canon used there is for the size of the Underworld. The Sisters of Fate micromanaging and weaving threads across the world and time is in-game, novels just confirm the sheer scope of them. The Primordials dwarfing the cosmos is shown to us in an opening cutscene, secondary canon again, just confirms the heavens being infinite. There's little argument of substance here at all beyond what all video game characters have to deal with.

it's the numerous feats in Gow and in Ragnarok that show that Kratos doesn't have infinite speed bringing up other video games in a poor excusehe just isn't that fast

 

[Diamentus]

Don't forget my boy Thanatos's Domain of Death

Though, don't overwank it like some people do. Some think that it's outer due to a fake "transcendent of dimensionalities" scan.

 

[GodOfThunder]

Incorrect, the original webcomic is the primary canon, manga is secondary, anime is tertiary and guidebooks are quarternary.

that would be a different version of Saitama webcomic and the one by Murata are two different stories

 

[Planck69]

it's the numerous feats in Gow and in Ragnarok that show that Kratos doesn't have infinite speed bringing up other video games in a poor excusehe just isn't that fast

Well, you've certainly convinced the lot of us with that dazzling argument "he just isn't that fast".

You're free to your opinions man, I just can't be bothered.

 

[KLOL506]

it's the numerous feats in Gow and in Ragnarok that show that Kratos doesn't have infinite speed bringing up other video games in a poor excusehe just isn't that fast

All of the claims which we debunked but you refuse to accept because of your silly insistence on on-screen feats.

If your not arguing the canonicity of secondary material then what's the point here? Helios' feat is an in-game on, the only secondary canon used there is for the size of the Underworld.

Size of the Underworld is primary canon too, literally in the bonus video of the actual GOW1 Game.

The Sisters of Fate micromanaging and weaving threads across the world and time is in-game, novels just confirm the sheer scope of them.

This is secondary canon, but it is never contradicted in any regard. EVER.

The Primordials dwarfing the cosmos is shown to us in an opening cutscene, secondary canon again, just confirms the heavens being infinite. There's little argument of substance here at all beyond what all video game characters have to deal with.

Pretty much everything I had left to say.

 

[GodOfThunder]

Well, you've certainly convinced the lot of us with that dazzling argument "he just isn't that fast".

You're free to your opinions man, I just can't be bothered.

i accept your concession

appealing to the masses is another poor argument

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

LMFAO

 

[KLOL506]

i accept your concession

appealing to the masses is another poor argument

In case you didn't realize, that was sarcasm.

 

[Dienomite22]

i accept your concession

appealing to the masses is another poor argument

You've been arguing from incredulity this entire time.

Come on now
Let's talk about in-game and on-screen stuff. What tier would you place Surtr, Ymir, and the Yggdrasil? Oh also Atlas and Ouranos?

 

[GodOfThunder]

In case you didn't realize, that was sarcasm.

in case you still didn't realize game Kratos doesn't have infinite speed or is anywhere close to multiversal

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

This isn't going anywhere guys. Stop responding to this guy now.

What were we discussing before he dropped?

I believe it was whether Atreus should be next game main lead protagonist.

 

[Planck69]

i accept your concession

appealing to the masses is another poor argument

The fact that I was sarcastic aside, you realize that this isn't a CRT right? You don't "win" here.

Also, I'm unsure how saying you haven't convinced us is appeal to masses but honestly, if it gets you to move on, believe whatever.

 

[Diamentus]

i accept your concession

appealing to the masses is another poor argument

Poor argument? You're arguing gameplay mechanics in a game that has WOG supporting it, intent supporting it, statements supporting it, lore supporting it. It doesn't matter what you say. Everything within the game straight up contradicts you. Novels are allowed. You're saying novels are secondary canon as if that debunks it entirely. No. If that was the case, novels would be debunked by absolutely everything because novels play out differently than the games. That's not how that works. If there is a severe difference that has nothing to do with the game mechanics, limitations, or lore, then it's a contradiction. Hermes dodging the light of Helios is more than enough to cement him with infinite speeds. With intent and WOG supporting that as well.