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God Ki Holy Manipulation

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Disagree, the ritual is just people filled Goku with their Ki, he doesn't get blessed by anyone else. And Holy power is not a thing in dragon ball, at least manga and anime continuities. Frieza stated that God Ki is a type of purest Ki, nothing holy here
 
Disagree, the ritual is just people filled Goku with their Ki, he doesn't get blessed by anyone else. And Holy power is not a thing in dragon ball, at least manga and anime continuities. Frieza stated that God Ki is a type of purest Ki, nothing holy here
Holy manipulation is just godly power, as long as its good, not evil

He is also blessed by a god ritual, which I think should be considered Blessed
 
Disagree, the ritual is just people filled Goku with their Ki, he doesn't get blessed by anyone else. And Holy power is not a thing in dragon ball, at least manga and anime continuities. Frieza stated that God Ki is a type of purest Ki, nothing holy here
Saying that godly ki is just a type of ki is as useful as saying holy power is just a type of power.
 
They call it "divine power" because it is the Ki used by dieties, but it does not exhibit any distinctly divine or sacred properties — nothing that qualifies for Holy Manipulation. It is just really, really pure and really powerful Ki, and someone like Vegeta could near-perfectly obtain it by just controlling his normal Ki and sucking it back into his body. Hell, even before training in Whis' scepter, Vegeta had developed the ability to sense God Ki after doing chores.
 
God ki does exhibit holy attributes. For example, only those with the status of a "god" can obtain this power such as kai's and GoDs. Hell even dende who's weak could utilize this. And those with this power get the abikity to be unsensable by mortals. I believe this is enough to qualify.
 
Holy Manipulation is, in short, the ability to manipulate divine or sacred energy and/or objects pertaining to such forces. It is a very broad term that has a variety of applications and frequently intersects with Light Manipulation, Healing, Magic, and other abilities generally considered to fall under the "good" or "lawful". Due to its nature, it is often extremely effective against those deemed "evil" or "monstrous", serving as a weakness to many characters under those categories. Due its connotations, it can most frequently be found on characters based on the Christian faith or some other application, such as Angels, Monotheistic Gods, Saints, Crusaders, Priests.
Apparently, if a power is described as "godly", it automatically falls under Holy Manipulation because the page describes it as a "broad term".
 
Just reading the definition, Godly ki fits it verbatim. So I believe it's justified to ask for a reason why God ki doesn't qualify for the power.
 
Reading the justification again, ig I kinda agree, although not sure something like God ki would be very effective on say, a demon anymore then blasting it normally. God ki doesn’t really have any special properties from normal ki. It’s stronger, harder to sense, and harder to get. U could have just named it Super ki and it would work fine.
 
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God Ki is nothing more than more advanced ki that is undetecable to lesser beings than Gods

It literally doesn't have anything Holy about it, especially since Gods can be evil as well (Zamasu/Black/Fused Zamasu). In the manga Kid Buu had God Ki as well after Good Buu was freed from Super Buu's body (in the DBS Manga) but he never tapped into it
 
Yeah there's no evidence to say God Ki is anything other than a more advanced version of the norm
 
Sorry but God Ki, never displaying these thing
i love how u cherry picked a very small part of the definition that didn't matter and used it as a refutation lmfao

it doesn't say that it NEEDS to be good or lawful or effective against evil, it just says it NORMALLY is.
So yeah i'd agree with this thread since it fits the definition, although this wiki probably needs to revise its definition for holy manip because so many things can qualify for it
 
God Ki is nothing more than more advanced ki that is undetecable to lesser beings than Gods

It literally doesn't have anything Holy about it, especially since Gods can be evil as well (Zamasu/Black/Fused Zamasu). In the manga Kid Buu had God Ki as well after Good Buu was freed from Super Buu's body (in the DBS Manga) but he never tapped into it
It is directly stated to be divine though

Yeah there's no evidence to say God Ki is anything other than a more advanced version of the norm
I already showed evidence that it is said to be divine, which by definition is holy manipulation

Sorry but God Ki, never displaying these thing
It doesn't need to display them. That's just some things that holy manipulation can have a lot of the time, not that it needs it. Divine power is enough
 
Hard disagree with this, nothing implies thi type of Ki is "holy" or something like that
 
It doesn't meet any of the criteria to be considered "divine". You could just call it Super Ki and it would work just fine.
its stated to be divine. the "criteria" you are referring to is what they believe holy manipulation normally works, not the way it must work.
 
Alr from here i see two things:

a) If it merely being described as "divine" is enough for holy manip, despite it not showing any features of holy manip in a battle sense (hax, more effective against evil etc) then we really need to change our definition of holy manip

B) If merely being described as "divine" is not enough for holy manip, this post should be denied.

So either, this post is wrong, or the definition of holy manip is wrong and should be changed. Either way Goku and god ki users aint getting holy manip.
 
It is directly stated to be divine though
So what? It never showed these properties
I already showed evidence that it is said to be divine, which by definition is holy manipulation
The fact it is called "divine" doesn't mean Holy manip when it shows none of the abilities Holy manip has
It doesn't need to display them. That's just some things that holy manipulation can have a lot of the time, not that it needs it. Divine power is enough
You need to display them, as in almost all cases (if not all) those who use Holy magic can directly do all of these abilities

Also as I said, Holy = Good Alignment, while God Ki can be used for both good and evil
 
Can we like get some staff input here and I'd say gather scans to help prove the case for holy manip
 
Holy manipulation doesn't even have criteria. It's literally just the ability to control divine power. God ki fits this. Unless there is something that definition doesn't cover.
 
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