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The properties you are referring to is what it is NORMALLY portrayed as, not how it must be. The only criteria that is listed is being able to manipulate divine/sacred energy, which obviously god ki users do. The other shit literally does not matter.So what? It never showed these properties
Its verbatim stated to be divine energy. If you guys wanna make a crt for a revision of holy manip sure, i'd even back up the revision. But according to this definition in paticular, god ki objectively qualifies.There's nothing divine about it besides it's name "God Ki"
We should change the definition of Holy Manipulation for something more concrete
evil is not objective lmfao its definitions and qualifications vary from one person to another. and regardless zamasu is stated to be a good person by toriyama soEven when God Ki is objectively used for evil? Like with Zamasu?
No one:zamasu being stated to be a fundamentally good person by akira toriyama
ongNo one:
Toriyama: genocide is good
Thanos did nothin wrong!?????.No one:
Toriyama: genocide is good
Zamasu WAS a good person. And evil is objective yes. He literally killed all GoDs and became the universe itself while killing all mortalsevil is not objective lmfao its definitions and qualifications vary from one person to another. and regardless zamasu is stated to be a good person by toriyama so
Scans?beerus is not a good guy
Revise the definition then, or I'll do itWhat the hell is going on here?
Anyway, the reasons for wanting holy manip is extremely lackluster. If we took it at face value, we should probably hand over this power to at least 80% of wiki characters lol.
Also, Zamasu is a good guy. He is based
It only needs to be divine. What properties does "divine" have? And good and evil are subjective terms, it can be divine and evilSo what? It never showed these properties
The fact it is called "divine" doesn't mean Holy manip when it shows none of the abilities Holy manip has
You need to display them, as in almost all cases (if not all) those who use Holy magic can directly do all of these abilities
Also as I said, Holy = Good Alignment, while God Ki can be used for both good and evil
Have you thought about, idk, maybe bringer stronger evidence?Revise the definition then, or I'll do it
For?Have you thought about, idk, maybe bringer stronger evidence?
It is quite broad. But to qualify for it, you need to have access to divine/holy sources of power and stuff like that. That of course comes down to greater verse context and lore.As I said, I disagree with this but what are the standards for Holy Manipulation on this site? Apparently it's a broad definition
Bruh, he literally murders on a whim, not even as his job, he sometimes just does it because he was pissed off slightly, and he's a ******* asshole, King Kai's planet was busted because he lost in Mario Kart, he sealed Old Kai in the Z sword. He constantly threatens others with death and is just a bitch.Scans?
In the Dragon Ball World is not subjectivegood and evil are subjective terms, it can be divine and evil
he quite literally.... erased half of an entire planet (which i assume would include population) because a dish was slightly salty.Scans?
Holy, elegant, purifying; almost magical in nature, if not wholly. It is both energetically and spiritually benevolent in nature. It can heal wounds, cleanse hearts and souls, banish evil, and relieve the dead of their grudges. It is, as the name would suggest, like a god; not a "god", as in a God of Destruction, but a god.What properties does "divine" have?
The holy manip page doesnt require all that, just divineHoly, elegant, purifying; almost magical in nature, if not wholly. It is both energetically and spiritually benevolent in nature. It can heal wounds, cleanse hearts and souls, banish evil, and relieve the dead of their grudges. It is, as the name would suggest, like a god; not a "god", as in a God of Destruction, but a god.
In-universe context matters.
Also, before you get all uppity about me making up explanations, this was all gathered from definitions of "holy" and "divine" and the actual page of Holy Manipulation.
"Often portrayed", not that it has to"Due to its nature, it is often extremely effective against those deemed "evil" or "monstrous", serving as a weakness to many characters under those categories"
Yeah God Ki is not portrayed as this holy energy that evil characters are innately weak to
So? Still uses divine kiYeah, Beerus is not a "good guy" (whatever that means). At most he's neutral and sometimes not even that as he erases others for petty reasons.
If u get a power because of your name, then the powers definition probably needs a change.divine
Yes, please. End this thread. If OP wants to add holy manip so badly he can just get more evidence and make a new thread.Anyway, is everyone cool with me closing this? It has obviously been entertained more than it should have been.