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Giygas Vs Solaris(Earthbound Vs Sonic the hedgehog)
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I'm not that knowledgeable about both
Im just reading the profiles and stopping them from being a stomp
It has passive void manipulation that works in the past present and future fr what I can read
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Then maybe call supporters from Earthbound as well to argue better and explain how his passive: 1) Even works at all since you can't explain it after reading the profile or 2) If and how it can affect all of time all at once, and I don't mean just the regular like "oh Low 2-C dude made a uni go boom"
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Alright, so here I am.
Giygas definitely can affect all the time at once, as:
So yes, Giygas quite of pulls off all his PSI attacks + Void + Mind Hax at once. All of that across time itself.
Giygas definitely can affect all the time at once, as:
- In his sealed state, Giygas can attack across time.
- Giygas became abstract evil energy, and said evil energy was able to spread from the future to the present. And defeating it in the past makes it stop affecting the present, meaning that Giygas can affect past, present and future at once. Is even said in the profile lmao.
- Giygas is >>> Ness who has his consciousness merged with the universe itself on a Low 2-C level. PSI Powers literally stand for Psychic Powers, so obviously Ness can affect all the space-time, as his PSI Powers increased from a whole lot after this boost.
So yes, Giygas quite of pulls off all his PSI attacks + Void + Mind Hax at once. All of that across time itself.
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I made only an argument about "but Giygas can't affect time as a whole".
Technically, doesn't Solaris need 2-B range to kill him? As Sonic for example has such range because they interact with his being.
Because if only Low 2-C range is required (which I doubt), then ok, this fight can be a thing.
Otherwise not really.
Technically, doesn't Solaris need 2-B range to kill him? As Sonic for example has such range because they interact with his being.
Because if only Low 2-C range is required (which I doubt), then ok, this fight can be a thing.
Otherwise not really.
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Void manipulation is only mentioned on the profile to have affected the future, plus I still haven’t gotten an answer as to if Giygas has mindhaxed 4D beings.
Also Solaris is 2-B now so…
Also Solaris is 2-B now so…
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That's outdated then.
Ness has 4D Mind hax by default given his whole consciousness is such and his PSI was amped to such level. PSI is literally linked to the mind, so I don't see why it shouldn't. Giygas upscales from this.
Answer pls. Is the key factor.
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Then fix it.
No, you need feats of it working on another 4D being. Just being 4D isn’t enough.
Solaris has 2-B range since he was going to verse wipe. Unless you’re asking if you need 2-B range to affect Solaris? Nah, Low 2-C range would be enough.
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PSI is literally Psychic Powers. Is things related to mind. Ness' consciousness was bumped to 4D, ergo all his PSI (which includes Sleep, Telepathy etc) was boosted to such level, not just Low 2-C AP but straight up 4D existence. If you really are nitpicky, then Giygas is able to affect Ness in itself with his PSI in the fight. Ness can do that as well (even for a really short time, mind you). The Tier 8 Party can too, but that's just game mechanics.
K.
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Alright, fixed the void thing. I know the statement and was used just for Giygas having devastated the universe in the future before the Unsealed state.
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Dialga Vs Solaris and Palkia Vs Hyper sonic here I come...
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LOL sonic supporters always bringing this up "But it needs 5D hax to effect the 5D character!!!"
This literally happened in Arceus Vs Enerjak and Arceus Vs Archie sonic
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Doing what?
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I thought yemma voted for the alien
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Regardless I'm voting Giygas here.
If only Low 2-C range is required to kill Solaris, then Giygas has more than enough things to deal with the guy.
His PSI have shown to attack across time, and affect past, present and future at once. Solaris doesn't seem to have a counter against Giygas' passives, which include, other than Void and Mind Hax, both on a 4D level (as he can affect Ness and viceversa with said PSI), a lot of status effects as Uncontrollable Crying, Paralysis, Sleep (which works on machines) or Petrification.
Solaris doesn't resist almost anything Giygas has, so is GG.
If only Low 2-C range is required to kill Solaris, then Giygas has more than enough things to deal with the guy.
His PSI have shown to attack across time, and affect past, present and future at once. Solaris doesn't seem to have a counter against Giygas' passives, which include, other than Void and Mind Hax, both on a 4D level (as he can affect Ness and viceversa with said PSI), a lot of status effects as Uncontrollable Crying, Paralysis, Sleep (which works on machines) or Petrification.
Solaris doesn't resist almost anything Giygas has, so is GG.
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Giygas FRA
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Wait, technically.
What is Solaris' wincon if he can't counter the passives?
He has no defense against almost all of those, getting haxed before he can do something.
What is Solaris' wincon if he can't counter the passives?
He has no defense against almost all of those, getting haxed before he can do something.
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I don't see any of the passives affecting Immeasurable characters, meaning we got two options:
1) We keep this as is with the battle cannot get added since Giygas wins via passives that Solaris will nornally blitz without equalizing speeds as written in the Versus Thread Rules
2) Speed becomes unequal, which leads to Solaris blitzing and erasing Giygas, making Solaris stomp via speed blitz. If he doesn't blitz because nigh-omnipresence (I honestly don't know what is faster), then it'd be a decisive victory for Solaris as from Solaris' point of view, the passives will not be active as he blitzes the effects too
Either way, Giygas passives won't matter here
1) We keep this as is with the battle cannot get added since Giygas wins via passives that Solaris will nornally blitz without equalizing speeds as written in the Versus Thread Rules
2) Speed becomes unequal, which leads to Solaris blitzing and erasing Giygas, making Solaris stomp via speed blitz. If he doesn't blitz because nigh-omnipresence (I honestly don't know what is faster), then it'd be a decisive victory for Solaris as from Solaris' point of view, the passives will not be active as he blitzes the effects too
Either way, Giygas passives won't matter here
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EE and low godly regeneration
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Giygas became evil energy which exists across time too. So they're exactly as fast.
What?
Passive void kills him before that.
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Exist across time everywhere in the universe = Omnipresent on a Low 2-C scale. That's not the same as Immeasurable, otherwise anyone who obliterate a universe would have immeasurable attack speed
And even if it was, Solaris, on top of his own feats, scales vastly above the likes of Time Eater, who also destroyed several timelines with the same method as Giygas' evil energy, as well as having more feats of its own for Immeasurable speed. Basically, Solaris ~ FP Super Sonic >>>>> Super Sonic (with the power he used against Time Eater) >> Time Eater = Baseline Immeasurable speed
They won't matter since because they haven't shown to affect Immeasurable characters, their effects will take effect instantly, which is equivalent to infinite attack speed. Immeasurables blitz that
Does the void also shown to erase souls, mind or whatnot? Cause if not, then EE is only assumed to erase the body without proper feats. Besides, according to the profile, it took Giygas some time to erase the kids, meaning Solaris wouldn't be immediately erased and would be able to act before being fully erased
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Whatever then, given Arceus at speed unequal still can't fight Immeasurable speed dudes.
If Immeasurable speed is equalized to Giygas' lower speed, why not?
Giygas was about to erase Ness who's the conscious mind of the universe itself and also AE1.
I am talking of also the other things like Mind Hax and PSI effects. Affecting Solaris wouldn't be an issue as Ness and Giygas are both 4D and they can fight each other, and are literal 4D AE beings on top of that.
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What? the profile says that they are more or less the same
From what I remember of the game, Classic and Moderm Sonic not blitz Time eater, in the best case it would be Super sonic>=Time Eater
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Super Sonic stomped the Time Eater, and was not using his full power to fight him, unlike against Solaris
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Because then the battle cannot be added to the profiles. Again, read the versus thread rules
I'm not saying it won't affect Solaris, but because Solaris would blitz the instant passives by being immeasurable, he won't get hit by the effects
And besides, if in the profile apperantly it took time for the kids to be fully erased, then Solaris could also hang on for a bit and could still act and erase Giygas himself
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K then. Someone should close this, given this Immeasurable vs Non-Immeasurable gets always in bullshit like this.
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no, what I mean, Sonic moved much faster than the Time Eater, the gap would be 2x at most in Speed, not Ap
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Sonic was not using his full speed either. The more power he draws from the emeralds, the more Sonic will become faster and stronger
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I know that, if you see my comment, in the part I cut, you put the Super sonic that used the necessary power to defeat the time Eater, not Solaris.
so super sonic (Generation)>=Time Eater in Speed
so super sonic (Generation)>=Time Eater in Speed
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