Ginyu Force stats and tier

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

The ginyu force characters (except for guldo) were originally set at 5-A (large planet level), but were shifted down to 5-B when frieza was shifted at that level (a long while back he used to be low 4-C, but then the 5-A demotion happened and the ginyu force was demoted too as a result to ensure a power gap)

but now that frieza was revised (to be well into small star level in base), it would make sense for the force to be at varying levels of large planet level (even with ginyu at or close to dwarf star level , there will still be a decent gap between him and first form frieza)

so, I think we should at least talk about whether the ginyu force (except for guldo) should be placed back at 5-A with large planet level attack potency and durability (with ginyu at possibly High 5-A)

also I think this (large planet level upgrade) should also apply to nail since his power at that time was comparable to normal ginyu force members

 

[Valar_Melkor_2]

They should stay where they are. They're all much weaker than Frieza's first form and there isn't really any valid justification for upgrading them.

 

[SomebodyData]

They should stay where they are. They're all much weaker than Frieza's first form and there isn't really any valid justification for upgrading them.

I sincerly doubt they're that much weaker than First Form Frieza, espically considering that Vegeta managed to keep his ground with 1stF Frieza.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

even if the recoom, jeice and burter were at 10 ninatons (well into 5-A), they wud be like 0.024 percent of base frieza


even if ginyu were 400 ninatons (safely into High 5-A), he wud still be less than 1 percent the power of base frieza

in other words, placing them there really doesnt go against the scalings and the power progression

 

[Promestein]

I support this.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

JUST TO BE CLEAR HERE


this is for 5-A ginyu force and High 5-A captain ginyu


if someone has other suggestions, please specify them

 

[LordAizenSama]

EDIT: Forgive me its pretty late, I Mean a 5-A Captain Ginyu and At least 5-B Ginyu force, guldo can stay where he is

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

EDIT: Forgive me its pretty late, I Mean a 5-A Captain Ginyu and At least 5-B Ginyu force, guldo can stay where he is

Agreed with Lord aizen

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

I agree with Aizen high 5-A and low 4-C are almost if not the same thing last time I checked.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

I proposed a 5-A ginyu force and a low- mid level of High 5-A tier cuz that keeps up with the power progression

as i saw a low- mid level of High 5-A still makes frieza well over 100 x captain ginyu in power

and a decent 5-A still makes frieza a few thousand x ginyu force members

 

[Dark645]

I support this, there is also the possibility of a Planet Level+ Monster Zarbon.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

I support this but Monster Zarbon needs to be upgraded to Planet Level+.

that can be debated too

 

[Sheoth]

This seems alright to me.

 

[Nickhf1]

I'll agree with this. Most of the ginyu force being 5-A (Most of them outclassing Captain Ginyu Saga Vegeta Who was probably already 5-A) Than Captain Ginyu being high 5-A, due to him being a lot stronger than the rest of his team.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I have to agree too. With what Aizen said, Guldo should definitely stay at where he is given that at least power-wise, he's the weakest of the bunch. Recoome, Burter and Jeice should definitely get bumped to 5-A. And finally Ginyu himself should be like High end 5-A, if not High 5-A (Dwarf Star level).

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

so for ginyu doe "At least 5-A, likely High 5-A" sound good? or do you think "Likely High 5-A" is more reasonable?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

so for ginyu doe "At least 5-A, likely High 5-A" sound good? or do you think "Likely High 5-A" is more reasonable?

Well nowadays whenever i try to scale a character through anything, i tend to use a safe way of doing it. This case, i'm more of the former since i can't really recall how much stronger Ginyu was compared to all of his fellow members.

Simply put, the former i'd go with for now unless someone convinces me that the latter is good too if not more...

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

just for a rounding example, even if ginyu were at like 200 ninatons (safely in High 5-A), he wud still be 1/206 th power of base frieza


so with that in mind, what do you think?

(keep in mind his exact power cap is not stated, and hence it goes based on power progression

personally, i have no problem with either of these groups, but i just wanted to put the gap between even a safe high 5-A and base frieza into perspective)

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

just for a rounding example, even if ginyu were at like 200 ninatons (safely in High 5-A), he wud still be 1/206 th power of base frieza

so with that in mind, what do you think?

(keep in mind his exact power cap is not stated, and hence it goes based on power progression

personally, i have no problem with either of these groups, but i just wanted to put the gap between even a safe high 5-A and base frieza into perspective)

Hmm fair enough. That seems about right then, i guess. Given the power cap between Ginyu's max and Frieza's...max power?

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

just for a rounding example, even if ginyu were at like 200 ninatons (safely in High 5-A), he wud still be 1/206 th power of base frieza

so with that in mind, what do you think?

(keep in mind his exact power cap is not stated, and hence it goes based on power progression

personally, i have no problem with either of these groups, but i just wanted to put the gap between even a safe high 5-A and base frieza into perspective)

Hmm fair enough. That seems about right then, i guess. Given the power cap between Ginyu's max and Frieza's...max power?

yeah, i mean the gap between even a safe High 5-A (ginyu's upper approximation), and base frieza (known value) is still agigantic, so it could work as well (also he is faaar stronger than rest of the force as well)

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Again, fair enough. So we got High 5-A Ginyu, 5-A Recoome, Burter and Jeice, and just 5-B Guldo.

Alright, let's see what others got to say~~

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

as far as guldo goes, i think i remember him being comparable to saiyan saga vegeta or something

though i am not sure

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Hmmm I think this sounds alright.

oh and if anyone was wondering here are the ginyu forces and 1st form Frieza's PLs- I might be wrong but eh.

1st form Frieza 530K

Ginyu 120K Recoome, Jeice, Burter 40-50k Guldo...well we can assume he's below 10k cause that's what Krillin and Gohan's PLs were at when they were fighting him.

 

[Promestein]

Gohan and Krillin were on Saiyan Saga Vegeta's level, so around 18, 000.

 

[Nickhf1]

Pocket, While we could use them to find the difference in power between two characters but I wouldn't truly rely on them, The Farmer had a power level of 5 while Raditz had 1,200. In reality the gap between there powers is astronomical.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

I also used to think Raditz had a pl of 1200 but recently everyone has been telling me his pl was actually 1500. not sure which one is right though

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

either way

does this grouping look okay:

ginyu gorce (jeice, burter, recoom) : 5-A

captain ginyu: High 5-A/ Likely High 5-A

guldo : same as it is now

zarbon: Planet+ as monster zarbon

 

[Promestein]

either way

does this grouping look okay:

ginyu gorce (jeice, burter, recoom) : 5-A

captain ginyu: High 5-A/ Likely High 5-A

guldo : same as it is now

zarbon: Planet+ as monster zarbon

Yes. I agree with this.

 

[Nickhf1]

Yeah, I'll agree with it.

 

[GohanLSSJ2]

I agree with TLT's decision.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I agree with this

 

[AllanSaiyan]

This seems ok.

 

[SSJRyu1]

I agree, it sounds like reasonable scaling to me.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this seems reasonable.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

so how many more people do we need to agree on this for the change?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that it seems all right, but you can place notices on a few admins message walls to be on the safe side.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

ok, i will ask 5 relatively active admins to comment on this issue

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Recoome, Burter, and Jeice should likely be upgraded to 5-A. Ginyu should definitely be 5-A, perhaps High 5-A. Guldo should...like, probably stay where he is.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Recoome, Burter, and Jeice should likely be upgraded to 5-A. Ginyu should definitely be 5-A, perhaps High 5-A. Guldo should...like, probably stay where he is.

so for ginyu, is ur vote at "At least 5-A, perhaaps High 5-A'


(because keep in mind, even at likely High 5-A, ginyu will still be less than 1/200th base frieza in power)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yeah, probably.