Ghouls Senses

[Arkenis]

• Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception & Information Analysis (Hearing; The Ghouls' advanced senses allow them to sense and distinguish numerous targets across tens of meters from one's mass from the loudness of footsteps, texture from tone, sound reflection in the environment, form from rhythm, and the vibration kagune's give off. This is something Ghouls learn and don't inherently have like Banjo's group. Given Hinami and Irimi learned it, more experienced ghouls should have it like Yoshimura. Quinxs are also capable of this like Shirazu being able to detect Kagunes within walls. Ayato is able to do it as well though not to the extent of Hinami)

So ghouls in Tokyo Ghoul show the ability to hear/sense at a greater level than humans, great enough it's something they have to train for. I fell into the mistake of granting this "Experienced Ghouls" section as though that's something acknowledged in the story. It isn't, and the fact no one does it to Irimi's extent, Ayato says he isn't good as Miza or Hinami, and Shirazu has to tap a wall to utilize the sensing, it comes off as not an experienced ghoul trait, but rather something activatable. I'd suggest removing entirely or labeling it as activatable in the general Ghoul pna.

Total removal from the page or just list it as something activatable, not a standard attribute all Ghouls can do.

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[Robo432343]

Agree

 

[AyOgUyS]

just list it as something activatable, not a standard attribute all Ghouls can do.

This makes sense to me

 

[NikHelton]

The scene with Furuta and Eto completely undermines this idea, because Furuta heard the end of Arima and Kaneki's fight from the other side of the prison while simultaneously talking to Eto.

Hearing doesn't work that way. It's not something you can turn on and off. It's just that with a little concentration, you begin to filter out unnecessary noise, highlighting what's important. By this logic, we can remove super hearing from all characters.

 

[Arkenis]

The scene with Furuta and Eto completely undermines this idea, because Furuta heard the end of Arima and Kaneki's fight from the other side of the prison while simultaneously talking to Eto.

Nah it isn't, and at most all he heard from afar is Arima's quinque break or just sensed it through some sixth sense as he's sensing the Owl quinque be destroyed. It is not this echolocation/vibration ability.

Hearing doesn't work that way. It's not something you can turn on and off. It's just that with a little concentration, you begin to filter out unnecessary noise, highlighting what's important. By this logic, we can remove super hearing from all characters.

Look at Shirazo's example, he has to tap on the wall to properly utilize this ability. Some super hearing has to be activated so idk what you're point is bringing up others. Maybe the term activatable is somewhat misleading, but the fact they have to concentrate showcases this isn't some standard ability they can all do and certainly not to the same degree. The leveling needs to be removed still.

I'll readjust this, instead of activatable, we simply put "varies: Depending on the ghoul, they can concentrate to perceive sound in detail, but most have not shown to Irimi's degree and it requires concentration." and just leave the listed examples as is.

 

[NikHelton]

Nah it isn't, and at most all he heard from afar is Arima's quinque break or just sensed it through some sixth sense as he's sensing the Owl quinque be destroyed.

I really don't understand what you're talking about when literally in the next panel Furuta says, "Wow, ghouls' senses are so heightened."

It's obviously thanks to hearing and vibrations

I'll tell you more - he not only heard that the quinque was broken, but also determined what kind of weapon Arima was using at that moment, realizing that it was neither Narukami nor IXA

It is not this echolocation/vibration ability.

Eto also watched their fight closely, catching the moment when Kaneki went into kakuji mode and let go of his restraint. Again, she felt it from another angle when Cochlea

Look at Shirazo's example, he has to tap on the wall to properly utilize this ability.

Shirazu is limited to 1 frame and has 20% of the potential of an S-rank ghoul at that time. Furthermore, he's simply inexperienced.

Some super hearing has to be activated so idk what you're point is bringing up others. Maybe the term activatable is somewhat misleading, but the fact they have to concentrate showcases this isn't some standard ability they can all do and certainly not to the same degree. The leveling needs to be removed still.

Yes, that's why the terminology here uses "experienced ghoul" as a ghoul with experience controlling their senses and able to rely on them in combat.

It's like some super soldier who has developed all their senses to 100% through training and talent.

I'll readjust this, instead of activatable, we simply put "varies: Depending on the ghoul, they can concentrate to perceive sound in detail, but most have not shown to Irimi's degree and it requires concentration." and just leave the listed examples as is.

How is this different from the distinction between experienced ghouls and regular ones?

The same investigators use dynamic vision, which is equivalent to heightened perception. If they can do this throughout the entire battle, I don't understand why experienced ghouls can't do it.

 

[Arkenis]

I really don't understand what you're talking about when literally in the next panel Furuta says, "Wow, ghouls' senses are so heightened."

It's obviously thanks to hearing and vibrations

We're given the visualization for Irimi, Shirazo, and Ayato's examples. It seems more that its something Ishida makes clear is being done than just hearing good.

I'll tell you more - he not only heard that the quinque was broken, but also determined what kind of weapon Arima was using at that moment, realizing that it was neither Narukami nor IXA

I don't disagree he heard it. Reread.

Eto also watched their fight closely, catching the moment when Kaneki went into kakuji mode and let go of his restraint. Again, she felt it from another angle when Cochlea

Doesn't have to be through vibrations, they can sense other ways like a sixth sense for ghouls.

Yes, that's why the terminology here uses "experienced ghoul" as a ghoul with experience controlling their senses and able to rely on them in combat.

I put it man, I know what I had in mind.

How is this different from the distinction between experienced ghouls and regular ones?

I've recently gotten the rules changed. So making up levels isn't allowed anymore.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Format_for_Verse-Specific_Powers_and_Abilities#Rules

Verse Specific Powers and Abilities Rules

So this has happened too much for us not to make rules/limits around it. But VSP need better rules than just the UES stuff. I'll give examples for what I'm talking about and then what should be added as rules to better manage this. Got perms from KingTempest. Characters should have...

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[Arkenis]

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[Arkenis]

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[NikHelton]

We're given the visualization for Irimi, Shirazo, and Ayato's examples. It seems more that its something Ishida makes clear is being done than just hearing good.

I'm still not sure this qualifies as "activation," because it's simply focusing attention and filtering information from one sensory organ. At the beginning of the story, Kaneki smelled blood a few blocks away, even though he wasn't concentrating. It was a mundane moment. Furuta also noticed the end of Arima and Kaneki's fight, even though Eto had just won and was talking to her.

Doesn't have to be through vibrations, they can sense other ways like a sixth sense for ghouls

She watched their fight just like Furuta did. The manga emphasizes that these are all ghouls' senses.

I put it man, I know what I had in mind.


I've recently gotten the rules changed. So making up levels isn't allowed anymore.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Format_for_Verse-Specific_Powers_and_Abilities#Rules

Verse Specific Powers and Abilities Rules

So this has happened too much for us not to make rules/limits around it. But VSP need better rules than just the UES stuff. I'll give examples for what I'm talking about and then what should be added as rules to better manage this. Got perms from KingTempest. Characters should have...

vsbattles.com

Yes, but we have no problem with that. Tsukiyama says at the beginning of the story that activating a kagune/kakugan strengthens a ghoul's body.
Furuta refers to a ghoul's senses as "that very trait they're renowned for."
Throughout the story, ghouls demonstrate that they have developed senses. Some ghouls rely on this, others don't. Therefore, the optimal solution was to divide you into "experienced ghouls," who unlock the full potential of their physiology.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm still not sure this qualifies as "activation," because it's simply focusing attention and filtering information from one sensory organ. At the beginning of the story, Kaneki smelled blood a few blocks away, even though he wasn't concentrating. It was a mundane moment. Furuta also noticed the end of Arima and Kaneki's fight, even though Eto had just won and was talking to her.

I'll readjust this, instead of activatable, we simply put "varies: Depending on the ghoul, they can concentrate to perceive sound in detail, but most have not shown to Irimi's degree and it requires concentration." and just leave the listed examples as is.

She watched their fight just like Furuta did. The manga emphasizes that these are all ghouls' senses.

No they didn't. It was in a different area of the facility.

Yes, but we have no problem with that. Tsukiyama says at the beginning of the story that activating a kagune/kakugan strengthens a ghoul's body.
Furuta refers to a ghoul's senses as "that very trait they're renowned for."
Throughout the story, ghouls demonstrate that they have developed senses. Some ghouls rely on this, others don't. Therefore, the optimal solution was to divide you into "experienced ghouls," who unlock the full potential of their physiology.

So what is the issue with what I propose then? And experienced isn't a real thing in story.

 

[NikHelton]

No they didn't. It was in a different area of the facility.

She was under pressure one floor below when she activated her kakuju. About 20 meters lower than where she fought Furuta.

So what is the issue with what I propose then? And experienced isn't a real thing in story.

Hmm, in that case "varies" makes sense

 

[Arkenis]

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[NikHelton]

Maybe you should call mods?

 

[Arkenis]

Maybe you should call mods?