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Getbackers Discussion Thread

I've got some questions about the Archiver page, I want to bring this up here because I don't want what happened to me, happening to you:

> Acausality (Type 4) (Archiver is the one who created the entire reality of GetBackers world and sees it nothing more than datas and created a Fate/path in history for everyone that could not be diverted from and even if diversion happens, the diverted path would ultimately lead to the main path. Can use Houjutsu as well as create the undead immortal monsters in the beltline with no Souls. Archiver disintegrated Makubex and sent him to the Archives with his memory wiped where Makubex could watch and remember everything)

This isn't reasoning for Type 4, the things listed in that are:

  • Fate Manipulation ("Path" that leads to the same main "path" no matter what)
  • Creation (Creating the Undead Immortal Monsters)
  • Resistance to Memory Manipulation.
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>Probability Manipulation (Can create futures that are different from the main one)

This is Time Manipulation / Reality Warping not probability manipulation.

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> Quantum Manipulation (Archiver is the one who created the world of GetBackers. Was going to unify the minds of Mankind. Can assemble all the Qualia)

This has nothing to do with manipulating 1-D strings. This is Mind Manipulation, pretty Good Mind Manip too, but Mind Manipulation.
 
Endless or Countless is not 2-A as per this Wiki's standards. You can ask any admin or mod about it. It's the highest end of 2-B.

I'm strictly neutral on 2-B Archiver. I'm more towards Low 2-C but 2-B seems a stretch but again, I'm neutral on that.
 
Lancer45Man said:
Endless or Countless is not 2-A as per this Wiki's standards. You can ask any admin or mod about it. It's the highest end of 2-B.
I'm strictly neutral on 2-B Archiver. I'm more towards Low 2-C but 2-B seems a stretch but again, I'm neutral on that.
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You're right, Countless is 2-B.
 
@Fire

I was asking more as a casual viewer, more than serious VS stuff. I have too much on my plate to start debating with a show like this. Is the anime good?
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
@Fire
I was asking more as a casual viewer, more than serious VS stuff. I have too much on my plate to start debating with a show like this. Is the anime good?
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Well it's a bit mishmash on the story department sadly. Characters that should appear on the last arc appear at the beginning, some fights that shouldn't happen etc. I mean it's good for getting a good taste of how badass is Ban, but i'd say go for the manga.
 
Udlmaster said:
> Acausality (Type 4) (Archiver is the one who created the entire reality of GetBackers world and sees it nothing more than datas and created a Fate/path in history for everyone that could not be diverted from and even if diversion happens, the diverted path would ultimately lead to the main path. Can use Houjutsu as well as create the undead immortal monsters in the beltline with no Souls. Archiver disintegrated Makubex and sent him to the Archives with his memory wiped where Makubex could watch and remember everything)

This isn't reasoning for Type 4, the things listed in that are:

  • Fate Manipulation ("Path" that leads to the same main "path" no matter what)
  • Creation (Creating the Undead Immortal Monsters)
  • Resistance to Memory Manipulation.
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>Probability Manipulation (Can create futures that are different from the main one)

This is Time Manipulation / Reality Warping not probability manipulation.

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> Quantum Manipulation (Archiver is the one who created the world of GetBackers. Was going to unify the minds of Mankind. Can assemble all the Qualia)

This has nothing to do with manipulating 1-D strings. This is Mind Manipulation, pretty Good Mind Manip too, but Mind Manipulation.
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@Acausality. Sorry that's not the reasoning for "Acausality" alone, it's for every previously mentioned power before it. The Acausality is because he exists in his own time and reality. You can scroll up for everything doe (i got most of my info on lancer's applications).

>Probabiltiy Manip

Well that's cus it creates different possibilitites and chances for every future, that's why i listed it as Prob manip (time and space manip and reality warp are already on his profile, no need to mention them twice).

>Quantum Manip

Can assemble all the qualia. It's the justification for the previously mentioned mind manip, but Qualia is described as the essence of all things, and he was going to assemble it all.
 
As for Akabane's profile, here's my questions for it:

>Telekinesis, Homing Attack (Can Telekinetically Control his Weapons and can make them fly, chase, and attack any Target)

This is just Telekinesis not Homing Attack.

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>Non-Corporeal (Can exist as a Non-Corporeal being even after getting erased completely)

I'd put this as "possibly Non-Corporeal" as he doesn't naturally exist as a Non-Corporeal, I assume.

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> Durability Negation, Power Nullification, Reality Warping, Probability Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation and Law Manipulation With Divine Providence (As long as he can't imagine something it cannot materialize. This gives Akabane Immortality, the ability to Nullify Powers and the inability to lose, though not to the extent of Ban Midou. His powers work on the same principles as Quantum Uncertainty and as such, if he doesn't believe in something then it won't exist and if he does, then it would definitely happen)

This doesn't seem like any (but 1) of the listed powers above. Running on Quantum Uncertainty isn't clause for Quantum Manipulation, Quantum Uncertainty is for when things are not observed, they are then in both states at once. This isn't for Strings, just particles at most. I.E Light.

Light isn't a String, Quantum Manipulation is for Manipulating 1-D strings.

It definately isn't clause for Law Manipulation, now, it could be, but it isn't listed on the profile.

It isn't Reality Warping as there wasn't any Reality Warping show in the screenshot, again, it could be RW but nothing is shown for it.

Power Null, that doesn't look like it was shown at all, same with Durability Negation.

All of this is Probability Manipulation.

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>Soul Manipulation (Fought and won against Raitei at full power)

This isn't clause for Resistance to Soul manipulation.

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>Data Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Reality Warping, Fate Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Magic, Physics Manipulation, Metaphysics Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Void Manipulation BFR, Teleportation, Clairvoyance, Probability Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation, Willpower Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation and many others (Being a Transcendental whose willpower and true self exists in the Real World like Professor Makube, he is Immune to anything The Archiver can do)

This isn't clause for all these resistances, this is clause for them being immune to the Archiver. IE Resistance to the Source, not the power.
 
Udlmaster said:
I've got some questions about the Archiver page, I want to bring this up here because I don't want what happened to me, happening to you:

> Acausality (Type 4) (Archiver is the one who created the entire reality of GetBackers world and sees it nothing more than datas and created a Fate/path in history for everyone that could not be diverted from and even if diversion happens, the diverted path would ultimately lead to the main path. Can use Houjutsu as well as create the undead immortal monsters in the beltline with no Souls. Archiver disintegrated Makubex and sent him to the Archives with his memory wiped where Makubex could watch and remember everything)

This isn't reasoning for Type 4, the things listed in that are:
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• Acausality Type 4 is Transcending the world of GetBackers

• He can find any Possibility and make it into Reality

• The world of GetBackers itself works on Quantum Theory where the observation of the Universe can create the reality of the Perceived Universe similar to Wave Function Collapse and it was even supported throughout the Last Arc
 
>@Acausality. Sorry that's not the reasoning for "Acausality" alone, it's for every previously mentioned power before it. The Acausality is because he exists in his own time and reality. You can scroll up for everything doe (i got most of my info on lancer's applications).

Sure, I do believe you have more reasoning for stuff like this, it's just not on his profile. (Which I have been lampooned for.)

>

>Probabiltiy Manip

Well that's cus it creates different possibilitites and chances for every future, that's why i listed it as Prob manip (time and space manip and reality warp are already on his profile, no need to mention them twice).

This still sounds like Time Manipulation (Changing the Future), I'll let a Mod be the Judge on this on. I could always be wrong.

>

>Quantum Manip

Can assemble all the qualia. It's the justification for the previously mentioned mind manip, but Qualia is described as the essence of all things, and he was going to assemble it all.

However, the Essence of all things isn't clause for Quantum Manipulation, this sounds like either:

Energy Manipulation / Life Manipulation / Soul Manipulation

Or any variant of them.
 
>• Acausality Type 4 is Transcending the world of GetBackers

That just sounds like Low 2-C (Transcending the World) not Acausality.

>• He can find any Possibility and make it into Reality

This sounds much more like Possibility Manipulation.

>• The world of GetBackers itself works on Quantum Theory where the observation of the Universe can create the reality of the Perceived Universe similar to Wave Function Collapse and it was even supported throughout the Last Arc

If this is true, then definately put it on the profiles, because it can make or break a profile.


Basically, that's what I'd say for the two profiles, make sure all the sources were on the profile to justify the claims.
 
Udlmaster said:
As for Akabane's profile, here's my questions for it:

>Telekinesis, Homing Attack (Can Telekinetically Control his Weapons and can make them fly, chase, and attack any Target)

This is just Telekinesis not Homing Attack.

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>Non-Corporeal (Can exist as a Non-Corporeal being even after getting erased completely)

I'd put this as "possibly Non-Corporeal" as he doesn't naturally exist as a Non-Corporeal, I assume.

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> Durability Negation, Power Nullification, Reality Warping, Probability Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation and Law Manipulation With Divine Providence (As long as he can't imagine something it cannot materialize. This gives Akabane Immortality, the ability to Nullify Powers and the inability to lose, though not to the extent of Ban Midou. His powers work on the same principles as Quantum Uncertainty and as such, if he doesn't believe in something then it won't exist and if he does, then it would definitely happen)

This doesn't seem like any (but 1) of the listed powers above. Running on Quantum Uncertainty isn't clause for Quantum Manipulation, Quantum Uncertainty is for when things are not observed, they are then in both states at once. This isn't for Strings, just particles at most. I.E Light.

Light isn't a String, Quantum Manipulation is for Manipulating 1-D strings.

It definately isn't clause for Law Manipulation, now, it could be, but it isn't listed on the profile.

It isn't Reality Warping as there wasn't any Reality Warping show in the screenshot, again, it could be RW but nothing is shown for it.

Power Null, that doesn't look like it was shown at all, same with Durability Negation.

All of this is Probability Manipulation.

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>Soul Manipulation (Fought and won against Raitei at full power)

This isn't clause for Resistance to Soul manipulation.

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>Data Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Reality Warping, Fate Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Magic, Physics Manipulation, Metaphysics Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Void Manipulation BFR, Teleportation, Clairvoyance, Probability Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation, Willpower Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3), Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation and many others (Being a Transcendental whose willpower and true self exists in the Real World like Professor Makube, he is Immune to anything The Archiver can do)

This isn't clause for all these resistances, this is clause for them being immune to the Archiver. IE Resistance to the Source, not the power.
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• He can home his Scalpels on his Targets no matter wherever they go or hide.

• After Ban Erased him, he attacks Ban in his Non-Corporeal form and saves his life

• His Power is completely based on Quantum Theory, the same theory used to create the Virtual World of GetBackers where Wave Function Collapse determines the Reality. You can literally look up in the thread for my comments regarding Arc 11 and 12 and you'll see where Metaphysics, Reality, Law, Power Null are coming from

• Raitei Can Attack and Destroy Souls even if the Soul is encased within a body or an object.

• He completely exists outside the Influence of the Archiver and Similar to Professor Makube too he is unaffected by The Archiver as Archiver holds no power over them. Even the Archiver could not affect them in the Slightest when they were inside virtual world of GetBackers where even Transcendentals like Kagami are affected by The Archiver
 
"

• He can home his Scalpels on his Targets no matter wherever they go or hide.

• After Ban Erased him, he attacks Ban in his Non-Corporeal form and saves his life

• His Power is completely based on Quantum Theory, the same theory used to create the Virtual World of GetBackers where Wave Function Collapse determines the Reality. You can literally look up in the thread for my comments regarding Arc 11 and 12 and you'll see where Metaphysics, Reality, Law, Power Null are coming from

• Raitei Can Attack and Destroy Souls even if the Soul is encased within a body or an object."

I'll basically just say it again, these are better explainations for the powers, I'd say note these specifically, because the reasonings were highly confusing and not much was given.

>• He completely exists outside the Influence of the Archiver and Similar to Professor Makube too he is unaffected by The Archiver as Archiver holds no power over them.

This one still seems like Resistance to the Source and not the powers, deal.
 
Udlmaster said:
>• Acausality Type 4 is Transcending the world of GetBackers

That just sounds like Low 2-C (Transcending the World) not Acausality.

>• He can find any Possibility and make it into Reality

This sounds much more like Possibility Manipulation.

>• The world of GetBackers itself works on Quantum Theory where the observation of the Universe can create the reality of the Perceived Universe similar to Wave Function Collapse and it was even supported throughout the Last Arc

If this is true, then definately put it on the profiles, because it can make or break a profile.


Basically, that's what I'd say for the two profiles, make sure all the sources were on the profile to justify the claims.
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• Archiver Created the Causality for GetBackers Universe and is completely unaffected by any changes in the history or path or timeline.

• That's Probability Manipulation.
 
"Resistance to the source"

By our standards that would be still resistance, our rules don't accept resistance to the source and the point is when they entered the world they made themselves resistant to anything the archvier can do.
 
I edited my previous comment but basically both Akabane and Professor Makube are special beings even among Transcendentals. Inside the world of GetBackers even Transcendentals like Masaki and Kagami could be affected by the Archiver but however, both Akabane and Professor Makube are completely immune to the actions of Archiver.
 
>• Archiver Created the Causality for GetBackers Universe and is completely unaffected by any changes in the history or path or timeline.

If he created Causality, then that's grounds for Type 5. Being unaffected by changes to the past and future is Type 1 and 2.

>• That's Probability Manipulation.

I know, I agreed with you.

>By our standards that would be still resistance, our rules don't accept resistance to the source and the point is when they entered the world they made themselves resistant to anything the archvier can do.

However, it would be no-applicable outside of a battle between the two.

If a Fight with say, Eternity (Low 2-C version), he wouldn't have the same resistances, because this isn't the same source.
 
And honestly I'll just keep the profile as it is and just link this thread to whoever wants to know about the context of the ability given. Heck they can even check the manga for themselves if they feel skeptical about the powers and since the chapters are given along with the context of the feats, it won't be difficult.
 
Lancer45Man said:
And honestly I'll just keep the profile as it is and just link this thread to whoever wants to know about the context of the ability given. Heck they can even check the manga for themselves if they feel skeptical about the powers and since the chapters are given along with the context of the feats, it won't be difficult.
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You'd need to link all that stuff onto the profile, I got flack for linking to Threads about God (World of DARK NESS) about accepted abilities and revisions.
 
Udlmaster said:
>By our standards that would be still resistance, our rules don't accept resistance to the source and the point is when they entered the world they made themselves resistant to anything the archvier can do.

However, it would be no-applicable outside of a battle between the two.

If a Fight with say, Eternity (Low 2-C version), he wouldn't have the same resistances, because this isn't the same source.
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Well as i said they made themselves resistant to anything the Archiver can do. It's not like they nullified the achiver or cut ties with him. As long as they are inside the getbackers world everything is part of The Archiver, to make them not suffer the same fate as Kagami (who is also transcendential), they made themselves resistant to the archiver's effect so that they wouldn't be absorbed into the world.
 
Ok then. I guess with this we'r finished with the first 3 characters and verse page.

@Lancer could you make a GetBackers Discussion #2 since this is already over 300 msgs. I am gonna focus on creating the Divine Design card pages as well as Ginji.
 
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