Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[FentyBeauty]

okay other than whatever u guys r talking abt the shades and the tier 2 stuff, i think what sahl said abt the sinners going back to plant lvl is fine if its like based off them being able to destroy worlds

and lowkey scaling them to nibelung’s sun creation in the first place was dumb asf just bc they had planet statements n were god tiers from that even tho they had no reason to be the same as the shades n soverigns but its whatever

 

[MSahla]

Alright, Since this CRT is already got accepted; Low 2-C and HDE 4-D for the shades, we need to discuss about the Scaling of it and i hope everyone also participated to discuss this. Putting aside your disagreements about it, let's think about what's already got accepted first, so please pay attention.

Currently, the Four Shades are among the Top 5 of the God-Tier in the verse, including the Heavenly Principles, Dragon King Nibelung, Five Sinners and Seven Sovereigns.

First, the ones who absolutely get the scaling for me is

1. Heavenly Principles (for an obvious reason)
2. Dragon King Nibelung (also for an obvious reason)
3. Seven Sovereigns (by onpar against the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades at the same time for forty winters and forty summers, basically 40 years.)

The Sinners case, however, I think.. It's time for us to separate them from the Top 5 of the God-Tier. Now, you might think that the sinners are stronger than the Sovereigns because of their feats. But now that the Shades becoming a Higher-Dimensional beings + having Low 2-C feats, the Sovereigns have better feats than the Sinners because they fought the Shades and the Heavenly Principles for 40 years straight, forty winters and forty summers.

So, i think we should put the Sinners back to Tier 5-B again by their statement of capable of destroying planets (which has been proven by Surtalogi) and separate them from the God-Tier, since theres not a statements of them directly relative to the Sovereigns and only have similar statements which is "Rival the entire World" and "Destroy the World".

maybe i'll just put a votes here.

Agree with the Scaling: @FentyBeauty

Disagree with the Scaling:

Bump

 

[Puppet43]

Lmao, why would SuperNova needs to be very reliable first like the mods? You just need to remember and understand the FAQ of Tiering System.

Okay, the first part of this message was well written i guess it would be mb to assume such thing, but sadly he didnt proof its point from any VSBW source nor FAQ of Tiering says anything about this

And Mods like Vietthai already said its true and we ready discussed that.

Vietthai was just on Neutral

If you only rely on visual, thats the only thing you'll get.

Sure, tell me when has genshin state directly universal destruction, even better anything close to galaxy lvl, that should be easy right? i mean genshin is tier 2 ofc is gonna have tier 3 feats right?

The Sinners case, however, I think.. It's time for us to separate them from the Top 5 of the God-Tier. Now, you might think that the sinners are stronger than the Sovereigns because of their feats. But now that the Shades becoming a Higher-Dimensional beings + having Low 2-C feats, the Sovereigns have better feats than the Sinners because they fought the Shades and the Heavenly Principles for 40 years straight, forty winters and forty summers.

So, i think we should put the Sinners back to Tier 5-B again by their statement of capable of destroying planets (which has been proven by Surtalogi) and separate them from the God-Tier, since theres not a statements of them directly relative to the Sovereigns and only have similar statements which is "Rival the entire World" and "Destroy the World".

Btw why would u try to ignore narrative that litterally put them at the same lvl? ur using crossverse to disproof Inverse The statment about rivaling the entire world is directly refering to Human Realm, same thing that Neuvi scales ,in my latest i had tons of evidence of the 3 groups being relative on eachother, im guessing ur wanna make them tier 5 just because Half Nod Krai cast would be infinitely times stronger than the strongest archon, which is the worst inconsistency, oh yeah Traveler grew inf power by having a moon power inside his body

 

[MSahla]

Okay, the first part of this message was well written i guess it would be mb to assume such thing, but sadly he didnt proof its point from any VSBW source nor FAQ of Tiering says anything about this

Literally here

Vietthai was just on Neutral

Look more again

Sure, tell me when has genshin state directly universal destruction, even better anything close to galaxy lvl, that should be easy right? i mean genshin is tier 2 ofc is gonna have tier 3 feats right?

Lmao, why would you need to reach every single tier below a specifict tier first so that you can get that specifict tier, lol.

Istaroth being able to Manipulate the entire timeline already put her on Low 2-C, and she's embodying the entire timeline of the universe.

Btw why would u try to ignore narrative that litterally put them at the same lvl? ur using crossverse to disproof Inverse The statment about rivaling the entire world is directly refering to Human Realm, same thing that Neuvi scales ,in my latest i had tons of evidence of the 3 groups being relative on eachother

What? By having a similar statements? Thats clearly not enough. It's like a 5-B person having the same statements like 5-A person, which is capable of destroying a planets.

im guessing ur wanna make them tier 5 just because Half Nod Krai cast would be infinitely times stronger than the strongest archon, which is the worst inconsistency

Never ever thought about that but okay.

 

[Furina003]

Alright, Since this CRT is already got accepted; Low 2-C and HDE 4-D for the shades, we need to discuss about the Scaling of it and i hope everyone also participated to discuss this. Putting aside your disagreements about it, let's think about what's already got accepted first, so please pay attention.

Currently, the Four Shades are among the Top 5 of the God-Tier in the verse, including the Heavenly Principles, Dragon King Nibelung, Five Sinners and Seven Sovereigns.

First, the ones who absolutely get the scaling for me is

1. Heavenly Principles (for an obvious reason)
2. Dragon King Nibelung (also for an obvious reason)
3. Seven Sovereigns (by onpar against the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades at the same time for forty winters and forty summers, basically 40 years.)

The Sinners case, however, I think.. It's time for us to separate them from the Top 5 of the God-Tier. Now, you might think that the sinners are stronger than the Sovereigns because of their feats. But now that the Shades becoming a Higher-Dimensional beings + having Low 2-C feats, the Sovereigns have better feats than the Sinners because they fought the Shades and the Heavenly Principles for 40 years straight, forty winters and forty summers.

So, i think we should put the Sinners back to Tier 5-B again by their statement of capable of destroying planets (which has been proven by Surtalogi) and separate them from the God-Tier, since theres not a statements of them directly relative to the Sovereigns and only have similar statements which is "Rival the entire World" and "Destroy the World".

maybe i'll just put a votes here.

Agree with the Scaling: @FentyBeauty

Disagree with the Scaling:

HDE will be specifically for shades and primordial one, while l2c will be according to the scale I proposed in the CRT, But sinners except rinnedottir, I'm hesitant to put it in l2c

 

[MSahla]

Alright, Since this CRT is already got accepted; Low 2-C and HDE 4-D for the shades, we need to discuss about the Scaling of it and i hope everyone also participated to discuss this. Putting aside your disagreements about it, let's think about what's already got accepted first, so please pay attention.

Currently, the Four Shades are among the Top 5 of the God-Tier in the verse, including the Heavenly Principles, Dragon King Nibelung, Five Sinners and Seven Sovereigns.

First, the ones who absolutely get the scaling for me is

1. Heavenly Principles (for an obvious reason)
2. Dragon King Nibelung (also for an obvious reason)
3. Seven Sovereigns (by onpar against the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades at the same time for forty winters and forty summers, basically 40 years.)

The Sinners case, however, I think.. It's time for us to separate them from the Top 5 of the God-Tier. Now, you might think that the sinners are stronger than the Sovereigns because of their feats. But now that the Shades becoming a Higher-Dimensional beings + having Low 2-C feats, the Sovereigns have better feats than the Sinners because they fought the Shades and the Heavenly Principles for 40 years straight, forty winters and forty summers.

So, i think we should put the Sinners back to Tier 5-B again by their statement of capable of destroying planets (which has been proven by Surtalogi) and separate them from the God-Tier, since theres not a statements of them directly relative to the Sovereigns and only have similar statements which is "Rival the entire World" and "Destroy the World".

maybe i'll just put a votes here.

Agree with the Scaling: @FentyBeauty

Disagree with the Scaling:

At best.. I can give the sinners possibly Low 2-C.

And i need everyone's thoughts about this so that I can apply it according to what we all want.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

genshin got tier 2 accepted while hsr people still cannot comprehend that their feats are real

Hi, sorry to interrupt your conversation. Is there a place where we can talk? I want to ask you something.

 

[FentyBeauty]

At best.. I can give the sinners possibly Low 2-C.

And i need everyone's thoughts about this so that I can apply it according to what we all want.

well!

if the sinners currently = sovereigns n shades bc all 3 of them share the same value and also bc u put in ur god-tier thing that they’d scale to the shades, u prlly need another crt to make them “possibly lw 2c”, so they’d basically have to be whatever we got goong on for the shades rn bc thats a whole new thing

 

[FentyBeauty]

sahl this is rlly random but like didnt u say it was 3am for u hours ago like how r u even awake

 

[MSahla]

sahl this is rlly random but like didnt u say it was 3am for u hours ago like how r u even awake

I just woke up btw :v

 

[MSahla]

if the sinners currently = sovereigns n shades bc all 3 of them share the same value and also bc u put in ur god-tier thing that they’d scale to the shades, u prlly need another crt to make them “possibly lw 2c”, so they’d basically have to be whatever we got goong on for the shades rn bc thats a whole new thing

I guess so then. Well, i guess i'll put them back to 5-B again.

note: FOR NOW

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hi, sorry to interrupt your conversation. Is there a place where we can talk? I want to ask you something.

huh…well you can private me can you?

 

[Voidnether]

Universe level+

136.066 Quettatons

This is literally the statistics value in Low 2-C

How do we have 7 Sovereign as Low 2-C but the Sinners at 5-B only despite the latter having an obviously better hax than the former (This tier and we're somehow still not beating Wuthering Waves and MHA )

 

[MSahla]

This is literally the statistics value in Low 2-C

How do we have 7 Sovereign as Low 2-C but the Sinners at 5-B only despite the latter having an obviously better hax than the former (This tier and we're somehow still not beating Wuthering Waves and MHA )

here

Who even cares about the other verses

 

[Voidnether]

Alright, Since this CRT is already got accepted; Low 2-C and HDE 4-D for the shades, we need to discuss about the Scaling of it and i hope everyone also participated to discuss this. Putting aside your disagreements about it, let's think about what's already got accepted first, so please pay attention.

Currently, the Four Shades are among the Top 5 of the God-Tier in the verse, including the Heavenly Principles, Dragon King Nibelung, Five Sinners and Seven Sovereigns.

First, the ones who absolutely get the scaling for me is

1. Heavenly Principles (for an obvious reason)
2. Dragon King Nibelung (also for an obvious reason)
3. Seven Sovereigns (by onpar against the Heavenly Principles and the Four Shades at the same time for forty winters and forty summers, basically 40 years.)

The Sinners case, however, I think.. It's time for us to separate them from the Top 5 of the God-Tier. Now, you might think that the sinners are stronger than the Sovereigns because of their feats. But now that the Shades becoming a Higher-Dimensional beings + having Low 2-C feats, the Sovereigns have better feats than the Sinners because they fought the Shades and the Heavenly Principles for 40 years straight, forty winters and forty summers.

So, i think we should put the Sinners back to Tier 5-B again by their statement of capable of destroying planets (which has been proven by Surtalogi) and separate them from the God-Tier, since theres not a statements of them directly relative to the Sovereigns and only have similar statements which is "Rival the entire World" and "Destroy the World".

maybe i'll just put a votes here.

Agree with the Scaling: @FentyBeauty

Disagree with the Scaling:

All of genshin uniting together as one in forgetting that Cataclysm caused all of the Shades to intervene but we don't talk about it

 

[Voidnether]

here

Who even cares about the other verses

Jué is 2-A, and it had resistance to their own time manipulation ability whilst Istaroth isn't, like this is actually frying me bro wtf

 

[MSahla]

All of genshin uniting together as one in forgetting that Cataclysm caused all of the Shades to intervene but we don't talk about it

none of the sinners 500 years ago was fighting the shades whatsoever. The Shades was merely to clear everything and just nuked the hell out of Khaenriah.

Like Ronova for example, her duty at that time was to curse the entire Khaenriahns because all of those people's soul was corrupted by the abyss. hence if they die, their souls will corrupt the Ley Lines too.

 

[MSahla]

Jué is 2-A, and it had resistance to their own time manipulation ability whilst Istaroth isn't, like this is actually frying me bro wtf

Istaroth is independent from Time btw, she's "one stillness in endless flow of time"

 

[Voidnether]

Istaroth is independent from Time btw, she's "one stillness in endless flow of time"

YES AND ISTAROTH DOESNT EVEN HAVE RESISTANCE LISTED ON HER PAGE, that is what fried me and I am actually shocked it doesn't fry you too

 

[Voidnether]

none of the sinners 500 years ago was fighting the shades whatsoever. The Shades was merely to clear everything and just nuked the hell out of Khaenriah.

Like Ronova for example, her duty at that time was to curse the entire Khaenriahns because all of those people's soul was corrupted by the abyss. hence if they die, their souls will corrupt the Ley Lines too.

Ok why are we saying that neuvillette who's a reincarnated hydro sovereign is comparable to that hydro sovereign who fought the shades now, this is genuinely the number 1 thing I've always find weird wtf

 

[MSahla]

YES AND ISTAROTH DOESNT EVEN HAVE RESISTANCE LISTED ON HER PAGE, that is what fried me and I am actually shocked it doesn't fry you too

Don't worry buddy, that would be next time, no need to be overthinking about it.

Lemme get some rest first.

 

[MSahla]

Because theres no differences of him and his predescessor in terms of power. The only differences is their form.

Upon gaining his complete form, Neuvillette not only got all of his power from his predescessor but also all of their memories. He literally remembers EVERYTHING since the beginning.

Neuvillette does not need a Vision to manipulate the elements. However, there were some things he learned only after regaining his complete form:

Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other.

From that day on, whenever a person's wishes reached the heavens, the seven overseers of the material realm were duty-bound to grant them a gift. Though they might know nothing of who or what wish had stepped into the threshold of the sacred, the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still.

Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon-treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them.

Neuvillette knows all this, of course, just like he knows that all rivers meet again in the great ocean. These birthing waters might not be of any special importance to humans, but for Neuvillette, he can differentiate every drop, every minute memory. He still remembers the foreign usurper appointing their own "God of Life" to order the living. He still remembers how the usurper had made "her" to suppress the original vital force of this planet. And of course, he also knows how "she" came to commit the original sin...

Having considered all this, Neuvillette decided, then, that whoever had penned that rhyme, as well as the Fontainians who came to believe in it, must not have known the Hydro Dragon all that well, considering that they thought the Hydro Dragon could cry. What did they take said Dragon for, some sort of bleeding heart who grieved for humans and the heavens alike?

 

[Voidnether]

Because theres no differences of him and his predescessor in terms of power. The only differences is their form.

Upon gaining his complete form, Neuvillette not only got all of his power from his predescessor but also all of their memories. He literally remembers EVERYTHING since the beginning.

Yeah but that would mean the Authority is Low 2-C, not that he fought the Shades directly like his predecessor (physically Low 2-C), there's a difference so you should add like Low 2-C through Hydro Authority or something

 

[MSahla]

Yeah but that would mean the Authority is Low 2-C, not that he fought the Shades directly like his predecessor (physically Low 2-C), there's a difference so you should add like Low 2-C through Hydro Authority or something

Bro, those authorities are also buffing their physical stats, like you can very much differentiate them with and without authorities like Neuvi and Xiuhcoatl.

They even strong enough to tanking the Four Shades and Heavenly Principles.

Its not like their Authorities are not their power since the beginning, its like you lost some of your power like Rerir.

 

[Furina003]

Yeah but that would mean the Authority is Low 2-C, not that he fought the Shades directly like his predecessor (physically Low 2-C), there's a difference so you should add like Low 2-C through Hydro Authority or something

I AGREE WITH THIS, but i see neuvillette's profile has been separated from the key, so yeah it's fine i think

 

[Furina003]

I plan to make a CRT about energy that increases its stats, the more energy a character has the stronger their attack potential will be, and I see some feats to support this, maybe one day I will discuss it in the CRT, not only for elements, but also adeptus energy etc.

 

[Voidnether]

Bro, those authorities are also buffing their physical stats, like you can very much differentiate them with and without authorities like Neuvi and Xiuhcoatl.

They even strong enough to tanking the Four Shades and Heavenly Principles.

Its not like their Authorities are not their power since the beginning, its like you lost some of your power like Rerir.

Which is why we rated Mavuika as Low 2-C through the Authority of Death, it doesn't mean that Mavuika physically is Low 2-C and Gosoysoth gets like Low 2-C durability if it somehow tanked it but rather the Authority amplified it to Low 2-C, there's a difference

Like, Apep is Low 2-C physically just by itself because it fought the Shades directly

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

A strange "substance" obtained from fighting against the All-Devouring Narwhal. Its actual weight far exceeds what would be expected given its size.
Everything gathers around heavy objects, just as gold attracts more than iron, or the ground more than in the breeze blowing above. Just as light cannot escape from the vortex of darkness, cause and effect is attached to fate, perhaps irreversibly so.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Jué is 2-A, and it had resistance to their own time manipulation ability whilst Istaroth isn't, like this is actually frying me bro wtf

Hell nah we wanking foddering waves now

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

huh…well you can private me can you?

I can’t, because your privacy settings limit who can view your full profile.

 

[Puppet43]

Literally here

Ur link to nothing, great work Sahl

Istaroth being able to Manipulate the entire timeline already put her on Low 2-C

Dio apparently Low 2C because he can stop time from an entire universe

and she's embodying the entire timeline of the universe.

Funny way to say Inorganic Physiology lowkey

What? By having a similar statements? Thats clearly not enough. It's like a 5-B person having the same statements like 5-A person, which is capable of destroying a planets.

Ur example is horrible, for u to find Character A is able to do 5A attacks while Character B is just able to do attacks 5B u would need to calc each's feats, therefore u will nulifficating the statment, not to forget both characters would be still same tier, meanwhile Neuvi (Above human realm) is Low 2C but another character above Human realm like Rerir is 5B, consistency dissapear at all

Never ever thought about that but okay.

Yeah, sure, Durin Low 2C oneshots Istaroth and the big 3 apparently

 

[MSahla]

Ur link to nothing, great work Sahl

Bros probably dont understand what is said there

Dio apparently Low 2C because he can stop time from an entire universe

High Universal with Time Stop (Due to manipulating time, it is a Range-Irrelevant ability that affects the whole world through all the space)

"Through all space"

Funny way to say Inorganic Physiology lowkey

Ah yes, embodying the entire timeline = made of inorganic matter
Buddy you don't know what your saying at all.

The ability to be made of inorganic matter. Users of this ability are unaffected by many things which would be lethal to organic beings or even the undead.

not to forget both characters would be still same tier, meanwhile Neuvi (Above human realm) is Low 2C but another character above Human realm like Rerir is 5B, consistency dissapear at all

Yeah get those sinners relative to the shades directly first just like the sovereigns who fought them directly, then i'll put them the same tier, simple as that.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

The wanking is so funny to me, not one shade have the capacity to destroy teyvat. Literally L thread, puppet is only reasonable here lol,

 

[Voidnether]

Second Descender is Voyager

 

[MSahla]

Second Descender is Voyager

U heard that from HXG dont you? its speculations, but I AM STILL leaning towards Nibelung being the second descender because he matched everything.

Lauma said that The Three Moons were destroyed during the war triggered by the Descenders, which is obviously the war of vengeance, and that war was when Nibelung comeback to Teyvat and descended from beyond the world and triggered the war. And even more confirmed from the next Archon Quest that it is revealed that Nibelung is the one who destroyed 2 out of 3 moons.

Not to mention, in the Funerary Year of the Before Sun and Moon, the Second Who Came is described as "The Second Throne of the Heavens" and we know that Nibelung was the original owner of the King's Throne before the Heavenly Principles.

 

[MSahla]

Anyway, The Luna 3 Special Program is about to start in 43 minutes so hopefully we got something surprising of course the hype.

 

[MSahla]

YOO WE GOT ACT 5 AND 6 ARCHON QUEST !!
WE LITERALLY GOT AMPHOREUS-FICATION

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Spoiler

The Power of the mages can affect fate and change characters cons

 

[MSahla]

Spoiler

The Power of the mages can affect fate and change characters cons

Fate Manip added to my Alice's profile

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Fate Manip added to my Alice's profile

BASED.

Her Fate manip also applies to archons since they can change venti cons.