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chakra and some jutsu can affect souls yes , but have nothing to do with spirituality in nature .
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Genjutsu vs Kyoka suigetsu which one is better and which one would u rather have
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I hope we aren't trying to say narutos "soul resistance" is comparable to bleach or something like that. Some wankery that would be.
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disproven by the fact that Orochimaru did not have chakra in his arms after his arm's soul was lost.Naeblis495 said:
And that souls(Hagoromo) can use chakra just fine.
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i am trying to debunk the notion that chakra is spiritual in nature in the same sense that it is in bleach and to debunk the notion that genjutsu affect the soul .
i think that it is obvious via their feats that naruto verse isn't close to bleach in terms of spirituality( not wanting to hurt anyone with this statement btw)
i think that it is obvious via their feats that naruto verse isn't close to bleach in terms of spirituality( not wanting to hurt anyone with this statement btw)
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Bleach uses souls more so it is more obvious when soul based stuff happen at some point we are going to make a thread based on souls and Naruto to discuss it in detail so I am not going to go further here.Naeblis495 said:
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Are you really ignoring everything else I am saying?AppleLord said:
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it make you body rot too so it clearly have an affect on the body and thus on a part of chakra: the physical aspectRocker1189 said:
also , i think it was hand seal that was forbidden by orochimaru due to the reaper seal , not the use of chakra in his arms .
souls still posses mental energy and can use nature energy too (iirc)
so yes they can use some aspect of chakra .
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@Nae Just making sure is all.. You never know. I'm sure there's someone out there that would argue it.
I agree that some pseudo spiritual/physical energy mumbo jumbo being legit soul manip, or whatever is being discussed is fishy. it's not on the profiles either. Some jutsu can affect a soul and that's about it.
I agree that some pseudo spiritual/physical energy mumbo jumbo being legit soul manip, or whatever is being discussed is fishy. it's not on the profiles either. Some jutsu can affect a soul and that's about it.
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I dont think it was ever said to make your body rot?Naeblis495 said:
He had no chakra in his arms.
You are just proving that mental energy is spiritual in nature, souls have no physical component to "generate" mental energy.
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The way I see it, this conversation is moot to begin with. The OP assumes we'll be able to have it as we are, affecting the world around us with it like it's supposed to.
All we have to do is select which one's abilities we like more. This debate about Technicalities and what affects what is moot.
At the end of the day, the each do the same shit (Some Better than Others) garnering the same results.
All we have to do is select which one's abilities we like more. This debate about Technicalities and what affects what is moot.
At the end of the day, the each do the same shit (Some Better than Others) garnering the same results.
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i'm not a native english speaker , so it might be my fault that i'm not expressing myself in clear enough terms .Heavens Feel said:
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Nah you're fine Nae I understood you.
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yeah , i guess this discution on the nature of chakra is derailling quite a bit .TheFinalOrder said:
i'll stop arguing here but if a thread dedicated to it emerge , i'll gladly restate/resume my arguments .
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Dude. It's chinese.
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that's chinese tho ? i'm talking about japanese .
whatever , i'm done discussing it here .
whatever , i'm done discussing it here .
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let it go , man. that's the not the right thread for it .Heavens Feel said:
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Omimi is saying that the kanji u guys thoguht were Japanese actually looks to be Chinese it seems. That's how it looks to me. We can't talk about Japanese when it was never Japanese. Seems Omimi does make a point
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Omimi is wrong though, they just both have the same kanji. and either way he did not translate the entire kanji.
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i really want to respond , but i won't , this is not the right thread for this topic as TheFinalOrder pointed out : it's a moot point .
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Ohhh makes sense. Did wonder why Japanese would use a Chinese meaningRocker1189 said:
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Why are you guys even arguing about souls and Naruto soul manipulation on a thread specifically about the mind techniques?
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Well someone up above was trying to Tier mind manipulation for KS which didn't turn out to be mind manipulation by using its ability to effect souls which we don't use to scale and rate mind manipulation and perception manipulation
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KS manipulating the "minds" of souls doesn't mean it's more versatile than genjutsu, harder to break or more potent.
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Imagine Aizen fighting with Genjutsu instead of Kyoka Suigetsu against Gotei 13.
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Shinji was few leagues above Aizen during that so it wasn't hard to him to find him using Hadou
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It was not even an illusion hado, we literally have no idea what it is. Not to mention it obviously affects real space. something genjutsu does not do.
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It's just souls in Bleach have human senses which can be distorted by Aize. Doesn't make it anything more than Genjutsu. Basic Genjustu also affects the mind via distorting chakra. Chakra isn't tangible either.
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What could it be if not Kido?
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i'm not so sure about that statement .SpookyShadow said:
aizen was always a one of kind and always felt alone in his overpowerness
nothing clearly indicate that shinji was stronger than aizen at this point .
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That isn't even illusions. It's more so spatial manipulation if anything.
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I am not saying its not kido, I am saying it is not an illusion spell. At the very east not one that affects the mind.SpookyShadow said:
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"Bakudō #26. Kyokkō (µø▓Õàë, Bent Light) Hides the physical form and Reiatsu of the caster by bending light. It can be used in combat to mask the Reiryoku used when setting up a trap for the target, masking individual abilities."- Bleach Character Book UNMASKED, page 160SpookyShadow said:
How is that not the same as using Illusions to hide?
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