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chakra and some jutsu can affect souls yes , but have nothing to do with spirituality in nature .
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disproven by the fact that Orochimaru did not have chakra in his arms after his arm's soul was lost.Naeblis495 said:chakra and some jutsu can affect souls yes , but have nothing to do with spirituality in nature .
Bleach uses souls more so it is more obvious when soul based stuff happen at some point we are going to make a thread based on souls and Naruto to discuss it in detail so I am not going to go further here.Naeblis495 said:i am trying to debunk the notion that chakra is spiritual in nature in the same sense that it is in bleach and to debunk the notion that genjutsu affect the soul .
i think that it is obvious via their feats that naruto verse isn't close to bleach in terms of spirituality( not wanting to hurt anyone with this statement btw)
Are you really ignoring everything else I am saying?AppleLord said:A Soul Reaper rips your hand and you cannot longer use chakra.
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Chakra affecting a soul?
More like a soul affecting chakra.
it make you body rot too so it clearly have an affect on the body and thus on a part of chakra: the physical aspectRocker1189 said:disproven by the fact that Orochimaru did not have chakra in his arms after his arm's soul was lost.Naeblis495 said:chakra and some jutsu can affect souls yes , but have nothing to do with spirituality in nature .
And that souls(Hagoromo) can use chakra just fine.
I dont think it was ever said to make your body rot?Naeblis495 said:it make you body rot too so it clearly have an affect on the body and thus on a part of chakra.
also , i think it was hand seal that was forbidden by orochimaru due to the reaper seal , not the use of chakra in his arms .
souls still posses mental energy and can use nature energy too (iirc)
so yes they can use some aspect of chakra .
i'm not a native english speaker , so it might be my fault that i'm not expressing myself in clear enough terms .Heavens Feel said:@Nae Just making sure is all.. You never know. I'm sure there's someone out there that would argue it.
I agree that some pseudo spiritual/physical energy mumbo jumbo being legit soul manip, or whatever is being discussed is fishy. it's not on the profiles either. Some jutsu can affect a soul and that's about it.
yeah , i guess this discution on the nature of chakra is derailling quite a bit .TheFinalOrder said:The way I see it, this conversation is moot to begin with. The OP assumes we'll be able to have it as we are, affecting the world around us with it like it's supposed to.
All we have to do is select which one's abilities we like more. This debate about Technicalities and what affects what is moot.
At the end of the day, the each do the same shit (Some Better than Others) garnering the same results.
Naeblis495 said:and the japanese words used to describe chakra are :
Physical energy (Þ║½õ¢ôÒé¿ÒâìÒâ½Òé«Òâ╝, shintai enerug─½)
and
Spiritual energy (þ▓¥þÑ×Òé¿ÒâìÒâ½Òé«Òâ╝, seishin enerug─½, English TV: Mental Energy)
the correct japanese term for souls/spirit is rei , like Reishi (Ú£èÕ¡É, Spirit Particles)
if a moon speaker could actually confirm this this would be great
let it go , man. that's the not the right thread for it .Heavens Feel said:...........
Ohhh makes sense. Did wonder why Japanese would use a Chinese meaningRocker1189 said:Omimi is wrong though, they just both have the same kanji. and either way he did not translate the entire kanji.
Shinji solos Aizen again? Illusion Hado didn't work the first time and so he mastered Kyoka Suigetsu. Momo also used some kind of illusion Kido to a guard when she escaped Toshiro's wall kido back in SS Arc.SpookyShadow said:Imagine Aizen fighting with Genjutsu instead of Kyoka Suigetsu against Gotei 13.
i'm not so sure about that statement .SpookyShadow said:Shinji was few leagues above Aizen during that so it wasn't hard to him to find him using Hadou
I am not saying its not kido, I am saying it is not an illusion spell. At the very east not one that affects the mind.SpookyShadow said:What could it be if not Kido?
"Bakudō #26. Kyokkō (µø▓Õàë, Bent Light) Hides the physical form and Reiatsu of the caster by bending light. It can be used in combat to mask the Reiryoku used when setting up a trap for the target, masking individual abilities."- Bleach Character Book UNMASKED, page 160SpookyShadow said:What could it be if not Kido?