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The point of this thread is to advocate for the removal of limitations on Garou’s time travel capabilities in his profile. It is posited that he should be endowed with Time Travel and a plethora of other abilities, which will be elaborated upon in due course. Herein lies the rationale for this proposition.
Subsequent to the cataclysmic confrontation between Saitama and Garou, which culminated in intergalactic devastation, Garou found himself in a dire and desolate predicament. He had inadvertently caused the demise of Tareo and witnessed the shattering of his dreams by Saitama. After a period of introspection, Garou unveiled the ultimate technique of his “fist” to Saitama, insinuating that Saitama would be capable of executing it successfully. As both Garou and Saitama commenced the technique, “God” initiated the transmutation of Garou into salt or a substance akin to salt. This resulted in only Saitama being able to revert back in his physical form, while Garou’s physical form remained in a parallel timeline as a lifeless salt figure. However, Garou arrived in the past in his soul form.
Upon scrutinizing the circumstances, it becomes evident that Garou initially lacked the proficiency to perform the technique with his own knowledge. Nevertheless, after imparting his technique to Saitama and observing Saitama’s application of it, he was potentially able to utilize Shakkei to mimic Saitama’s usage (although the methodology remains speculative it is irrelevant). The crux of the matter is that he ultimately mastered the technique, as evidenced by his arrival in his soul form.
Now I am aware there are various common counter arguments in which I will refute here.
Refuting Common Counter Arguments
Saitama was the one that took Garou back:
I comprehend where the argument is coming from, but it appears there’s a misunderstanding about the mechanics of the time travel. Essentially, Saitama imagines his own inner universe. Particles and their corresponding antiparticles are produced in pairs due to the intense cosmic rays emitted by Garou. Saitama then manipulates his own subatomic particles to move in opposite directions and mirror each other’s movements. Subsequently, these subatomic particles transform into what can be metaphorically described as miniature Saitama visages, and he travels back in time. In essence, Saitama only sends his own particles back, nothing else. Given that Garou arrived in his soul form, it implies that Garou was capable of executing the same process.
Garou said himself he couldn't do it:
This argument has been previously addressed, but to reiterate. Initially, Garou was incapable of executing the technique with his own knowledge. However, upon observing Saitama’s application of the method, he was able to replicate it. Although it’s not explicitly stated, the specific method is inconsequential as Garou was ultimately able to master it either way.
He can only send his Soul in the past it would be NLF if we assumed he could travel back in his physical form:
To contextualize this argument, I acknowledge the origin of this contention. If the scenario were solely confined to Garou’s soul journeying back in time, it would indeed be a case of No Limits Fallacy. However, we observe that Garou taught his technique to Saitama, who subsequently demonstrated the ability to time travel in his physical form. This suggests that Garou, being the originator of the technique, should possess the same capability as it is originally his technique. Although Garou stated that Saitama could enhance his techniques, he also used the term ‘copy’, implying that it’s essentially the same exact technique, albeit improved in the sense that Saitama could apply it with his knowledge, a feat that initially eluded Garou. Furthermore, Saitama’s superior execution of the techniques does not necessarily transform them into an entirely distinct methodology.
Then that means they were both reversing causality at the same time separately which is a nomological impossibility:
Primarily, the reversal of causality did not entail reverting the Universe to a predetermined point and obliterating the parallel timeline (which would scale Saitama and Garou to a Universal+ level). Instead, Saitama and Garou reversed causality and annihilated the timeline through the mechanism of the Grandfather Paradox.
God Transmutes Him If He Tried Time Travelling:
(I almost forgot to add this argument) However, God did not transmute Garou as a consequence of his employment of the time travel technique. God does not hinder Garou from harnessing the time travel technique. God only transmuted Garou due to being defeated by Saitama (which was the rationale for his empowerment) and Garou endeavored to assist Saitama ultimately with time travel. In the given context, this is coherent as it is evident that God transmuted Garou due to his failure of prevailing over Saitama and endeavor to assist Saitama with time travel, not merely because Garou was using time travel.
Now regarding if this should be combat applicable or not. Yes, I agree this should be combat applicable I believe Garou's usage of time travel should be like Saitama's usage. Though this doesn't mean that I'm implying Garou just spams Time Travel quite the contrary. I believe Garou should only be viable to utilize Time Travel in these 3 scenarios...I believe all 3 Scenarios should be used.
Scenario A: Garou is Bloodlusted (Like Saitamas Profile)
Scenario B: Garou is in a hopeless state and situation in combat in which the only possible solution is Time Travel (Like in the Manga)
Scenario C: Garou's Final Move (An Ultimate Last Resort)
At the outset, I did mention that there were additional capabilities I wished to incorporate, which essentially encompass the abilities that are inherent in the execution of the technique.
Parallel Timeline Garou: Time Travel, Body Control, Matter Manipulation (Sub-Atomic), and Antimatter Manipulation (Travelled back in time by manipulating his own sub-atomic particles and anti-particles)
If there is a majority agreement, then can a content mod add these? Thanks
Those Who Agree (@Recon1511, @Phoenks, @Excel616, @ZillertheBucko, @Valeska24 ,@DarkDragonMedeus ,@Epiccheev, @Null, @Aseka, @Qawsedf234, @Maverick_Zero_X, @Quangotjokes)
Those Who Disagree ()
The point of this thread is to advocate for the removal of limitations on Garou’s time travel capabilities in his profile. It is posited that he should be endowed with Time Travel and a plethora of other abilities, which will be elaborated upon in due course. Herein lies the rationale for this proposition.
Subsequent to the cataclysmic confrontation between Saitama and Garou, which culminated in intergalactic devastation, Garou found himself in a dire and desolate predicament. He had inadvertently caused the demise of Tareo and witnessed the shattering of his dreams by Saitama. After a period of introspection, Garou unveiled the ultimate technique of his “fist” to Saitama, insinuating that Saitama would be capable of executing it successfully. As both Garou and Saitama commenced the technique, “God” initiated the transmutation of Garou into salt or a substance akin to salt. This resulted in only Saitama being able to revert back in his physical form, while Garou’s physical form remained in a parallel timeline as a lifeless salt figure. However, Garou arrived in the past in his soul form.
Upon scrutinizing the circumstances, it becomes evident that Garou initially lacked the proficiency to perform the technique with his own knowledge. Nevertheless, after imparting his technique to Saitama and observing Saitama’s application of it, he was potentially able to utilize Shakkei to mimic Saitama’s usage (although the methodology remains speculative it is irrelevant). The crux of the matter is that he ultimately mastered the technique, as evidenced by his arrival in his soul form.
Now I am aware there are various common counter arguments in which I will refute here.
Refuting Common Counter Arguments
Saitama was the one that took Garou back:
I comprehend where the argument is coming from, but it appears there’s a misunderstanding about the mechanics of the time travel. Essentially, Saitama imagines his own inner universe. Particles and their corresponding antiparticles are produced in pairs due to the intense cosmic rays emitted by Garou. Saitama then manipulates his own subatomic particles to move in opposite directions and mirror each other’s movements. Subsequently, these subatomic particles transform into what can be metaphorically described as miniature Saitama visages, and he travels back in time. In essence, Saitama only sends his own particles back, nothing else. Given that Garou arrived in his soul form, it implies that Garou was capable of executing the same process.
Garou said himself he couldn't do it:
This argument has been previously addressed, but to reiterate. Initially, Garou was incapable of executing the technique with his own knowledge. However, upon observing Saitama’s application of the method, he was able to replicate it. Although it’s not explicitly stated, the specific method is inconsequential as Garou was ultimately able to master it either way.
He can only send his Soul in the past it would be NLF if we assumed he could travel back in his physical form:
To contextualize this argument, I acknowledge the origin of this contention. If the scenario were solely confined to Garou’s soul journeying back in time, it would indeed be a case of No Limits Fallacy. However, we observe that Garou taught his technique to Saitama, who subsequently demonstrated the ability to time travel in his physical form. This suggests that Garou, being the originator of the technique, should possess the same capability as it is originally his technique. Although Garou stated that Saitama could enhance his techniques, he also used the term ‘copy’, implying that it’s essentially the same exact technique, albeit improved in the sense that Saitama could apply it with his knowledge, a feat that initially eluded Garou. Furthermore, Saitama’s superior execution of the techniques does not necessarily transform them into an entirely distinct methodology.
Then that means they were both reversing causality at the same time separately which is a nomological impossibility:
Primarily, the reversal of causality did not entail reverting the Universe to a predetermined point and obliterating the parallel timeline (which would scale Saitama and Garou to a Universal+ level). Instead, Saitama and Garou reversed causality and annihilated the timeline through the mechanism of the Grandfather Paradox.
God Transmutes Him If He Tried Time Travelling:
(I almost forgot to add this argument) However, God did not transmute Garou as a consequence of his employment of the time travel technique. God does not hinder Garou from harnessing the time travel technique. God only transmuted Garou due to being defeated by Saitama (which was the rationale for his empowerment) and Garou endeavored to assist Saitama ultimately with time travel. In the given context, this is coherent as it is evident that God transmuted Garou due to his failure of prevailing over Saitama and endeavor to assist Saitama with time travel, not merely because Garou was using time travel.
Now regarding if this should be combat applicable or not. Yes, I agree this should be combat applicable I believe Garou's usage of time travel should be like Saitama's usage. Though this doesn't mean that I'm implying Garou just spams Time Travel quite the contrary. I believe Garou should only be viable to utilize Time Travel in these 3 scenarios...I believe all 3 Scenarios should be used.
Scenario A: Garou is Bloodlusted (Like Saitamas Profile)
Scenario B: Garou is in a hopeless state and situation in combat in which the only possible solution is Time Travel (Like in the Manga)
Scenario C: Garou's Final Move (An Ultimate Last Resort)
At the outset, I did mention that there were additional capabilities I wished to incorporate, which essentially encompass the abilities that are inherent in the execution of the technique.
Parallel Timeline Garou: Time Travel, Body Control, Matter Manipulation (Sub-Atomic), and Antimatter Manipulation (Travelled back in time by manipulating his own sub-atomic particles and anti-particles)
If there is a majority agreement, then can a content mod add these? Thanks
Those Who Agree (@Recon1511, @Phoenks, @Excel616, @ZillertheBucko, @Valeska24 ,@DarkDragonMedeus ,@Epiccheev, @Null, @Aseka, @Qawsedf234, @Maverick_Zero_X, @Quangotjokes)
Those Who Disagree ()
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