Garen vs Saber

[BruceTheBatman]

7-A Versions
Speed equalized if necessary

Saber: 0

Garen: 0

Inconclusive: 6 (Gargoyle, Reppuzan, Weekly, DMUA, Xmark12, Iapitus)

 

[Schnee_One]

Such a good fight and no responses

(Sigh) Typical

Anyway, going with Seiba here, she has a decent AP and Dura advantage (385 megatons vs Baseline) has multiple charges mini excaliblast projectiles she can use at range, and is overall comparable to Garen in skill.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Thanks for the response

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Question, how much of saber's arsenal uses magic?

 

[DMUA]

Excalibur is pretty magical.

Everything else is just physical strikes.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay because Garen's armor and sword passively nullifies magic

 

[DMUA]

Yeah, don't think that's going to really impede her in a fight where she's got a big AP advantage.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Its not that big.

I actually made the match with Garen to make it interesting that way

 

[Reppuzan]

@Weekly

The Magic Resistance on that isn't all that strong if he gets blasted by every single magical champ in the League.

 

[DMUA]

Its not that big.

I actually made the match with Garen to make it interesting that way

Well.... Perhaps, but it's still existent.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Rep Fodder Knights with Armor weaker than Garen's have feats of completely nullifying magic from guys like Mordekaiser

 

[Reppuzan]

@Weekly

Mordekaiser is two tiers below Saber.

Besides, most of Saber's magical energy goes into amplifying her own physical abilities, so there isn't much for Garen to resist.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And Garen is vastly superior to fodder Demacian soldiers

The null should scale to his dura

 

[Reppuzan]

@Weekly

Again, it would change literally nothing about this fight since Saber doesn't direct her magical energy as an attack unless she's firing Excalibeams.

She is more than likely to try and blitz him and cut him down with one swing of her (invisible) sword.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And Garen's strikes will be ignoring her durability entirely and he can null the invisible sword slashes with Decisive Strike

Plus speed is equalized so blitzing isn't gonna be be a thing

 

[Reppuzan]

@Weekly

How would Garen be ignoring her durability entirely? His page says that only Demacian Justice does this against villains. Saber's alignment is Lawful Good, the polar opposite of a villain.

I also don't see how Decisive Strike is going to nullify Invisible Air.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It works on anyone regardless of their allignment as long as they are opposing him, and it allows his basic attacks and Judgement to ignore durability.

Because it can null characters who use abilities like that...?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Weekly

That's not what it says on the profile and it's explicitly designed to work on "Villains" in gameplay too.

Garen's normal attacks don't ignore durability, otherwise Jax would not have been able to deflect his attacks.

And Saber doesn't just brush it to the side with her superior AP and maneuverability?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because I have yet to adjust his profile, that is how it works. Even in game he can consider ANYONE a villain, even people who should be considered his allies in any other circumstance.

Jax didn't fight Garen so...

It nulls on contact so no

 

[Reppuzan]

@Weekly

The True Damage component of Demacian Justice only applies in full to the ult.

Plus you're gratuitously abusing game mechanics that implying that even a glancing blow that's deflected will somehow damage Saber, who is still stronger than him and can cut through his armor with a single hit.

 

[Kepekley23]

Demacian Justice only works on those who have killed lots of people at once, by the way, hence the "villain" rating.

It wouldn't work on someone like Saber.

 

[DMUA]

I'm pretty sure Saber killed many, many people when she was fighting. Like, in flashbacks she's surrounded by corpses.

 

[Kepekley23]

If so, yeah, she's doomed.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Arturia's armor is magically woven. If Garen's sword lols at magic, then there's good chance that she gets the Gae Dearg treatment with a sword as thick as her torso.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Kep

So it's a one-shot fight.

Saber one-shots due to having vastly superior AP and the ability to amp her speed with Mana Burst.

Garen one-shots due to True Damage.

 

[DMUA]

Inconclusive as it's a legit battle of swordsmanship where one can easily kill the other.

 

[Reppuzan]

Saber also has the benefit of Instinct. Since she fought Gae Daerg before, her Instinct won't be fooled by Garen's magic-resistant sword this time around.

 

[Xmark12]

Going inconclusive too, since it'll depend on if Arturia or Garen can land a hit or not.

 

[Bepo4151]

Saber via superior ap and mana burst.

 

[Schnee_One]

I still stand by Mana burst and Instincts giving her the hit needed

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Inconclusive fra then

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Bepo Dura negating attacks and magic null counter those

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

If they can both 1 shot either by DC or Hax, and speed is equalised, then I'll vote inconclusive. Unless one is significantly more skilled then the other, that is gonna be my vote, tho I'll change it if someone can prove a skill advantage.

 

[Schnee_One]

<Speed is Equalized

IF necessary, for now it's not

 

[DMUA]

Very sure Saber blitzes otherwise.

 

[Schnee_One]

How does Saber blitz someone faster in combat speed then her?

Inconclusive FRA by the way

 

[DMUA]

Oh.

Could have sworn Saber was Mach 3000 or so and Garen was Mach 100.... Based off of a short glace over their calcs.

I now see where this went wrong.

 

[First_Witch]

I honestly go for Saber via precog. Garen needs something better then Tsubame Gaeshi to land a blow on Saber.

 

[Schnee_One]

Considering he has the speed advantage and doesn't need something better, he can.

 

[Bepo4151]

Green basic attacks deal 1% of the target health in True damage that ignores durability the whole attack doesnt. So he is not one shotting Saber.