Funny Monkey vs King Monkey

[LordGinSama]

Honestly this is what happens whenever someone intentionally plays Devil's Advocate whilst having next to no knowledge on either verse.

 

[azontr]

Honestly this is what happens whenever someone intentionally plays Devil's Advocate whilst having next to no knowledge on either verse.

I can tell Livin hasn't even read like half a chapter of GoH not even lying.

 

[KingTempest]

I don't really know if Luffy is gonna even be able to hit Mori with an attack that'd take him out, given his instinctive reactions that allow him to avoid attacks that come from characters that are several tiers faster and stronger than him, and allow him to avoid he attacks he previously deemed "unavoidable". Luffy has future sight so he'll know that Mori will react but the problem lies in like... stopping him from reacting? Like yeah he can see it with future sight but how exactly he finna stop Mori from reacting even if he knows Mori will react.

Luffy with pure skill could tag Kuro's Relativistic Shakushi while he was Hypersonic+. He's tagging this man

 

[LordGinSama]

I can tell Livin hasn't even read like half a chapter of GoH not even lying.

Same considering he thinks Yeoui's name is Big Stick

 

[azontr]

Luffy with pure skill could tag Kuro's Relativistic Shakushi while he was Hypersonic+. He's tagging this man

Mori did a similar thing with a Massively Hypersonic character while he was only subsonic. Just appeared behind the man with a re-technique lol.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He's reaching.

Calls Luffy being resistant to a 3x advantage an NLF but argues nigh infinite growth for Garou.

Not like Luffy ( pre time skip fyi ) got hit by Garp, someone who massively scaled above him and was country or continent level ( forgot which ), and fell to the ground but wasn't even seriously injured. To say that he can't tank people with attack potency much higher than his current one is wild since everyone who has hit him with raw power, including Garp, had to also use haki to negate his fruit.

 

[azontr]

Mori did a similar thing with a Massively Hypersonic character while he was only subsonic. Just appeared behind the man with a re-technique lol.

Also, by "re-technique", I mean a skill in the repertoire of Re-Taekwondo, known specifically as Bo-Bup. It's on the profile.

 

[KingTempest]

Mori did a similar thing with a Massively Hypersonic character while he was only subsonic. Just appeared behind the man with a re-technique lol.

Gap from Luffy to HS to Rel > Gap from Subsonic to MHS

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Pretty much.

I don't really know if Luffy is gonna even be able to hit Mori with an attack that'd take him out, given his instinctive reactions that allow him to avoid attacks that come from characters that are several tiers faster and stronger than him, and allow him to avoid he attacks he previously deemed "unavoidable". Luffy has future sight so he'll know that Mori will react but the problem lies in like... stopping him from reacting? Like yeah he can see it with future sight but how exactly he finna stop Mori from reacting even if he knows Mori will react.

This was covered with Katakuri. His response to Katakuri knowing and reacting to every attack was to attack so wildly and unpredictably, and fast, that Katakuri couldn't do shit for a few moments.

 

[azontr]

Gap from Luffy to HS to Rel > Gap from Subsonic to MHS

I mean it's still a similar and rather close feat though, and since speed is equalized here I'd say Mori and Luffy are kinda matched in the "can tag people faster than themselves" department. It isn't like the feats are worlds apart or whatever.

This was covered with Katakuri. His response to Katakuri knowing and reacting to every attack was to attack so wildly and unpredictably, and fast, that Katakuri couldn't do shit for a few moments.

How wild and upredictable we talking here?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This was covered with Katakuri. His response to Katakuri knowing and reacting to every attack was to attack so wildly and unpredictably, and fast, that Katakuri couldn't do shit for a few moments.

( he also did this with Enel but Enel doesn't have fs just average kenbunshoku)

 

[azontr]

Pretty much.

I don't really know if Luffy is gonna even be able to hit Mori with an attack that'd take him out, given his instinctive reactions that allow him to avoid attacks that come from characters that are several tiers faster and stronger than him, and allow him to avoid he attacks he previously deemed "unavoidable". Luffy has future sight so he'll know that Mori will react but the problem lies in like... stopping him from reacting? Like yeah he can see it with future sight but how exactly he finna stop Mori from reacting even if he knows Mori will react.

Also said instinctive reactions feat was against someone who had relative and even superior skill to himself. Just saying that if it counts for anything.

EDIT: Actually, both were.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I have listed feats on Mori's page showing that he is capable of reacting to attacks the moment they touch his skin.

It's how he survived Bongchim's instant death technique.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I mean it's still a similar and rather close feat though, and since speed is equalized here I'd say Mori and Luffy are kinda matched in the "can tag people faster than themselves" department. It isn't like the feats are worlds apart or whatever.

How wild and upredictable we talking here?

He bounces his fist off the walls so fast that Katakuri can't keep up with the fist and gets punched in the face.
He also does that to Kaidou with gomu gomu no Hydra, and it's even faster, so fast that it hits him like nine times at once.
And to Enel, where he bounces his fists off the wall at a random pattern so it's unpredictable to even luffy him self, and thus Enel can't judge where it'll go

 

[azontr]

He bounces his fist off the walls so fast that Katakuri can't keep up with the fist and gets punched in the face.
He also does that to Kaidou with gomu gomu no Hydra, and it's even faster, so fast that it hits him like nine times at once.
And to Enel, where he bounces his fists off the wall at a random pattern so it's unpredictable to even luffy him self, and thus Enel can't judge where it'll go

I mean if he try and bounce his fists off the walls of my house he gonna tear the place up lol.

He gon bounce off air?

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy for reasons above

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I mean if he try and bounce his fists off the walls of my house he gonna tear the place up lol.

He gon bounce off air?

Actually, yes. Yes he will.

 

[azontr]

Actually, yes. Yes he will.

I know he can kick off of the air to fly but can he and has he shown the ability to apply the same principal to his punching attacks?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I know he can kick off of the air to fly but can he and has he shown the ability to apply the same principal to his punching attacks?

Dude, watch the video. You only have to see like 30 seconds of that to know.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Also do correct me if im wrong, but doesn't Luffy have to physically lift and throw back the attack to perform attack reflection? From the Kaido scan, it looks like his muscles buff up before he throws the energy beam back.

Considering this, wouldn't Yeoui still be too heavy for him to lift?

 

[azontr]

Dude, watch the video. You only have to see like 30 seconds of that to know.

That's him bending his arms to change the direction of his fist. He isn't bouncing his fists off the air to make them come from all directions like he did with actual solid ground in the Katakuri fight.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Also do correct me if im wrong, but doesn't Luffy have to physically lift and throw back the attack to perform attack reflection? From the Kaido scan, it looks like his muscles buff up before he throws the energy beam back.

Considering this, wouldn't Yeoui still be too heavy for him to lift?

He turns it into rubber and reduces the size. We've been over this broski

 

[DaMonkeMan]

That's him bending his arms to change the direction of his fist. He isn't bouncing his fists off the air to make them come from all directions like he did with actual solid ground in the Katakuri fight.

He did that in the Kaidou fight though. With Hydra.

 

[azontr]

He did that in the Kaidou fight though. With Hydra.

Show me.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Wtf is happening here LOL. It was derailed and got circular arguments, also is the speed of the yeoui equalized too?

 

[azontr]

He turns it into rubber and reduces the size. We've been over this broski

Cool bro, Mori makes it heavier and bigger again.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Show me.

I don't know if I can find scans on my tablet so just look at his wiki page. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Go...?file=Gomu_Gomu_no_Black_Mamba.png#Snakeman_2

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Cool bro, Mori makes it heavier and bigger again.

Endless cycle of that, then. Also, if he does it by the time luffy reflects it, he's going to get hit clean in the face by it lol.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I don't know if I can find scans on my tablet so just look at his wiki page. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Go...?file=Gomu_Gomu_no_Black_Mamba.png#Snakeman_2

Mb, I linked the wrong thing

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Gomu Gomu no Mi/Gear 4 Techniques

Gear 4 ("Gear Fourth") is a transformation technique first seen in Luffy's battle against Donquixote Doflamingo. It was developed by Luffy during his training on Rusukaina. Luffy coats his arm in Busoshoku Haki before biting into his forearm. Similar to how he activates Gear 3, he blows an...

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k just look at this instead

 

[azontr]

I don't know if I can find scans on my tablet so just look at his wiki page. https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Go...?file=Gomu_Gomu_no_Black_Mamba.png#Snakeman_2

That is him bending his arms mid-air still lmao.

Endless cycle of that, then. Also, if he does it by the time luffy reflects it, he's going to get hit clean in the face by it lol.

Mori then dodges his own staff lmfao.

 

[azontr]

Gomu Gomu no Mi/Gear 4 Techniques

Gear 4 ("Gear Fourth") is a transformation technique first seen in Luffy's battle against Donquixote Doflamingo. It was developed by Luffy during his training on Rusukaina. Luffy coats his arm in Busoshoku Haki before biting into his forearm. Similar to how he activates Gear 3, he blows an...

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k just look at this instead

What am I supposed to look at.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

also is the speed of the yeoui equalized too?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

What am I supposed to look at.

Snakeman, fourth attack at that part.

 

[azontr]

Snakeman, fourth attack at that part.

Eh, that's still just him bending his arms but bending his arms achieves literally the same effect as air bouncing so it doesn't really matter lmao.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

He turns it into rubber and reduces the size. We've been over this broski

The weight is independent of size. Mori had Yeoui in his ear and at its lightest it still cratered the ground. He also says "Get heavier, Yeoui" regardless of how big it is.

 

[azontr]

The weight is independent of size. Mori had Yeoui in his ear and at its lightest it still cratered the ground. He also says "Get heavier, Yeoui" regardless of how big it is.

A copy of Yeoui despite being at its normal staff size was able to tear Uriel's arms off, so there's that to.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

The weight is independent of size. Mori had Yeoui in his ear and at its lightest it still cratered the ground. He also says "Get heavier, Yeoui" regardless of how big it is.

Eh. Even still, it can't affect Luffy.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Bruh, just ignored me

 

[azontr]

I mean, we've established both Mori's and Luffy's ability to just dodge god each other until one gets tired out, yeah? At that point it comes down to whose gonna last the longest while they pummel each other, in which I mean like, whose gonna tire the other out first, not whose gonna cause the most damage.