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Frisk is Immeasurable due to fighting Asriel Dreemurr , who is a 4-D being.
Immeasurable is for characters who have gone beyond 3-D time and linear distance, as well as its concept of Speed.
If Frisk was only Infinite, it would literally be impossible for them to preceive any of Asriel's movements and attacks.
Asriel cannot be Infinite as he clearly went beyond the 3-D space-time continuum, meaning he is beyond linear distance, making him Immeasurable .
So yeah, Frisk stays Immeasurable.
Immeasurable is for characters who have gone beyond 3-D time and linear distance, as well as its concept of Speed.
If Frisk was only Infinite, it would literally be impossible for them to preceive any of Asriel's movements and attacks.
Asriel cannot be Infinite as he clearly went beyond the 3-D space-time continuum, meaning he is beyond linear distance, making him Immeasurable .
So yeah, Frisk stays Immeasurable.
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The Immeasurable definition has been altered.
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Wait, what circumstances made Asriel immeasurable? just being 4-D doesn't mean immeasurable speed
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He's still anchored to that plane of existence.
By Antvasima and DarkLK. "Immeasurable (Higher-dimensional entities beyond linear time and 3-D distance, and its' concepts of speed. However, take note that higher order dimensional nature does not automatically guarantee this. The speed statistic should be listed as "Immeasurable" only if a character is completely transcendental to the distance, time, and causality of a normal universal continuum.)"
By Antvasima and DarkLK. "Immeasurable (Higher-dimensional entities beyond linear time and 3-D distance, and its' concepts of speed. However, take note that higher order dimensional nature does not automatically guarantee this. The speed statistic should be listed as "Immeasurable" only if a character is completely transcendental to the distance, time, and causality of a normal universal continuum.)"
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Yes it does. The definition of 4-D is to exist outside the space-time continuum. Still, what makes Asriel 4-D? Travelling to an area beyond space-time doesn't make him 4-D and is unquantifiable.LordAizenSama said:
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No, it doesn't. it literally says on the Speed page it doesn't.
"Immeasurable (Higher-dimensional entities beyond linear time and 3-D distance, and its' concepts of speed. However, take note that higher order dimensional nature does not automatically guarantee this. The speed statistic should be listed as "Immeasurable" only if a character is completely transcendental to the distance, time, and causality of a normal universal continuum.)"
"Immeasurable (Higher-dimensional entities beyond linear time and 3-D distance, and its' concepts of speed. However, take note that higher order dimensional nature does not automatically guarantee this. The speed statistic should be listed as "Immeasurable" only if a character is completely transcendental to the distance, time, and causality of a normal universal continuum.)"
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Okay...
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This is what Dark said https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/301261
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I think Asriel was put at Immeasurable because he's above God Flowey
From God Flowey's stats:
"Immeasurable (In this form, Flowey possessed an almost absolute command over the fabric of space-time)"
Asriel is far above God Flowey, which would make him Immeasurable too.
But not too sure if that's actually acccurate or not now.
From God Flowey's stats:
"Immeasurable (In this form, Flowey possessed an almost absolute command over the fabric of space-time)"
Asriel is far above God Flowey, which would make him Immeasurable too.
But not too sure if that's actually acccurate or not now.
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No, it's not.
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Welp, guess the God tiers of Undertale also need a downgrade.TheMightyRegulator said:
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It would seem so.
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Downgrade?
More like UNDERgrade, AM I RIGHT?!
I'll see myself out.
More like UNDERgrade, AM I RIGHT?!
I'll see myself out.
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Inb4 Azathoth flips his laptop.
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Maybe Infinite cause they can move despite time being erased?HIT IT said:
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Infinite speed sounds correct for this type of scenario if Asriel/Frisk was able to move in erased space/time.
There should be a tag for a "Battle with Asriel" key beside Frisk's regular tag, however as this was a scenario-specific situation as it wouldn't apply to all the other Undertale characters otherwise.
Edit: Zoom's page. Here, Zoom's speed is infinite due to him moving where time permanently stood still, meaning that time still exists (it's just not moving at this point).
In Asriel and Frisk's scenario, however, Frisk and Asriel were moving in a situation where time didn't just stand still, but rather the concept of time and space were erased altogether.
There is a huge difference (at least there should be) between time standing still and the concept of time not existing at all in the first place. I say we keep Asriel and Frisk's speed at Immesurable as it is.
There should be a tag for a "Battle with Asriel" key beside Frisk's regular tag, however as this was a scenario-specific situation as it wouldn't apply to all the other Undertale characters otherwise.
Edit: Zoom's page. Here, Zoom's speed is infinite due to him moving where time permanently stood still, meaning that time still exists (it's just not moving at this point).
In Asriel and Frisk's scenario, however, Frisk and Asriel were moving in a situation where time didn't just stand still, but rather the concept of time and space were erased altogether.
There is a huge difference (at least there should be) between time standing still and the concept of time not existing at all in the first place. I say we keep Asriel and Frisk's speed at Immesurable as it is.
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Frisk already has that with their Immense Amounts of Determination tag on their page. I can think they also showed that level of speed against God Flowey who also erased space-time in their fight.Crazystarf said:
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Are you guys kidding? Flowey can create and erase countless timelines at will, and Asriel is infinitely above him.
The 2-A ranking for Asriel is perfectly acceptable.
The 2-A ranking for Asriel is perfectly acceptable.
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I think we were just talking about the Speed for Asriel and Frisk, no their overall Tier.Matthew Schroeder said:
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Isn't what happened in the Omega Flowey battle the same as in Asriel's battle? Or am I wrong?
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Bruh, this is for speed and whether it's immeasurable or not XD. This has Nothing to do with tier or attack potency.
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Well apparently Giorno Giovanna has a feat where he was able to move in erased time but he's only Infinite Speed.Crazystarf said:
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It reminds me of some LN what I read once.
There was a character that came out to the imaginary line of time, where all the action takes zero time in reality.
But there was also another character, who used infinite heat to destroy space and time around.
Both of these characters got infinite speed, but they used a fundamentally different process.-Dark Lk Moving in erased space-time is infinite.
There was a character that came out to the imaginary line of time, where all the action takes zero time in reality.
But there was also another character, who used infinite heat to destroy space and time around.
Both of these characters got infinite speed, but they used a fundamentally different process.-Dark Lk Moving in erased space-time is infinite.
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Do you know what makes a character Immeasurable then? I'd like to know for the sake of enlightment, if you don't mind.TheMightyRegulator said:
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Moving backwards in time in erased time-space. Existing in a void before a Universe was created. Transcending an entire continuum, not just a certain point.
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I see then. Thank you for the info.TheMightyRegulator said:
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Well, as I said, since apparently being outside the Multiverse = Immeasurable (It is why Acreus is at said level IIRC). Chara did so with destroying the game, and Omega Flowey > Chara so..?
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This was addressed.
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Also, Arceus existed before the multiverse.
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Messaged him about this, just waiting for his response.KuuIchigo said:
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I would think so but DarkLK said no.HIT IT said:
I agree with this.KuuIchigo said:
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So this is for the speed of Flowey and Frisk, right? Well, personally, immeasurable seems more fitting to me than infinite, in this case. Frisk and Flowey don't solely move in stopped time. They move when time is no longer a thing, and Omega Flowey can create his own timelines on a whim while then proceeding to use them to overwrite the current timeline, still moving as though nothing has happened. This seems more to be transcendence of basic time than simply possessing infinite speed.
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