Frisk and Chara Acausality

[Kaltias]

Pretty much what the title says. Given that Frisk and Chara are Acausal because they survived time paradoxes, they should now have time paradox immunity instead.

Not sure if this affects Gaster too

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Bumpity boo

 

[Kaltias]

Do you agree with it?

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Yes, Both Chara and Frisk have shown Time-Paradox Immunity but have not shown Acausality according to the new definition.

Question:

What about Asriel and Flowey?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Frisk should be changed.

Chara might be fine, as they are unaffected even by a true reset and no longer a part of the game's regular reality.

Gaster is likely fine, as he doesn't even technically "exist" in a traditional sense, any more. He is completely separate from the game's flow of causality even more so than absolute Chara.

 

[Kaltias]

@Holy

Asriel is already time paradox immune.

@Azzy

Not sure. Wouldn't surviving the True Reset still fall under TP immunity + durability? It's "just" deleting all the timelines, no?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

"An entity that is acausal has no true beginning or end, and is thus essentially immune to offensive causality manipulation and time travel. Even if you go back in time and kill an acausal being in the past or prevent him/her/it from being born/created, it will still exist in the present and other timelines. Often, even if an acausal being is killed in the present, it can still survive by appearing from another timeline. Thus, acausal beings are very difficult to permanently destroy, often requiring the use of high-level reality warping."

Chara's version seems far more similar to this than Frisk's, which just seems to be TP immunity.

 

[Kaltias]

I thought we changed the requirements for acausality during that thread Monarch made? I thought it needed a statement about "existing outside the flow of causality" or something like that

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Yes. That is what that is. There is nothing from a conventionally causal standpoint that has an effect on absolute Chara, which is why all changes they make to the world are permanent, regardless of how many times you true reset (ie. you cannot un-**** your game in-canon).

 

[Kaltias]

I guess acausality for Chara should be fine then

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I agree on this. Frisk should be switched to time paradox immunity, but Chara would still be properly acausal, potentially even from a 4-D perspective of causality seeing as nothing Flowey/Asriel or the Anomaly do affects her/him in the slightest once they reach their absolute.

 

[Kaltias]

So, if someone can unlock the page for me i can edit Frisk

 

[Antvasima]

Which pages do you need unlocked?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Frisk

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah, only Frisk's. Azzy said that Chara and Gaster are fine

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Flowey should have it too

 

[Kaltias]

Done

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I close this thread then?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Flowey should have it too

And Frisk category are wrong

 

[Kaltias]

Don't close this for now, we can discuss about Flowey first

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.