Freezing human body calc makes no sense

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

This calc on here makes no sense to me: So total energy = 62 * 3500 * 38 + 0.65*62*1000*333.55 = 21,688,065 Joules

I understand where the 62 comes from, but what about the other values, I don't know that they are or where they come from

 

[Antvasima]

@KLOL506 @Jasonsith @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @DontTalkDT

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Freeze someone alive

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[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Freeze someone alive

vsbattles.fandom.com

Okay then, we should consider assing the details of heat capacity and such onto the References to Common Feats page

Edit: Although the 1000 seems to come out of nowhere

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I relooked at the calc again, the 1000 is a conversion, I personally think it would be better to use 333550 J/kg instead as to not create confusion

Edit: I did a quick calc for freezing a human body to 0 K, and I ended up with results of 5.904421 times the joules for regular freezing

 

[KLOL506]

I relooked at the calc again, the 1000 is a conversion, I personally think it would be better to use 333550 J/kg instead as to not create confusion

Edit: I did a quick calc for freezing a human body to 0 K, and I ended up with results of 5.904421 times the joules for regular freezing

Pathetic.

 

[KLOL506]

Aaaaaaaaaaanyway, I think the questions seem to have been answered properly. I can add the steps in the References for Common Feats page. Afterwards, should we close this thread?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I think so, I'd like to see the changes myself though just to be sure

 

[KLOL506]

I think so, I'd like to see the changes myself though just to be sure

Of course.

Obviously I can't carry out the edits and post the history of edits here if nobody unlocks the References for Common Feats page first.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Obviously I can't carry out the edits and post the history of edits here if nobody unlocks the References for Common Feats page first.

@Antvasima

 

[KLOL506]

@Antvasima

Only staff members can tag users.

That being said...

@Antvasima if you could unlock the References for Common Feats page I can apply the edits in.

 

[Antvasima]

Of course. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Omnificence]

Do you think it's possible if we can also add some of the accepted and evaluated calculations from here to the page?

 

[KLOL506]

Do you think it's possible if we can also add some of the accepted and evaluated calculations from here to the page?

They're already on the page.

 

[Omnificence]

@KLOL506 The recently accepted and evaluated ones?

 

[KLOL506]

@KLOL506 The recently accepted and evaluated ones?

Freezing someone alive? Aye, has been for a while.

 

[KLOL506]

Of course. Tell me here when you are done.

I've carried out the edits.

I also fixed the human vaporization calc a little bit in case no one minds, no drastic change, just the slightest of additions and minor corrections here and there.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@KLOL506 should we add my calc for freezing someone to absolute 0?

 

[KLOL506]

@KLOL506 should we add my calc for freezing someone to absolute 0?

Sure, make a blog and I'll check it out in a jiffy.

 

[KLOL506]

Actually, for the vaporization part, now that I think about it...

The link it uses for mass of water, this one, states that the adult human body averaged at ~65% water.

We should prolly replace 60% there with 65%.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@KLOL506 I also fixed my sword slicing calc, but am I using the correct destruction value for it?

 

[Omnificence]

@KLOL506 I was talking about these:

• Energy to create/destroy a forest
• Destroying New York City
• Destroying a Continent REDONE
• Destroying Great Britain
• Punching through a skull
• Vaporization of Iron revision
• Vaporizing Spain
• Vaporizing a volcano
• Vaporization of Titanium Value
• Vaporising Tokyo Tower
• Vaporising the entire atmosphere
• Vaporising a tank
• Energy to Vaporize a Car
• Energy Needed to Atomize The Great Pyramid of Giza
• Energy Needed to Atomize The Eiffel Tower
• Energy Needed to Atomize Cloud Gate
• Energy Required to Atomize New York State (Rough)

 

[KLOL506]

@KLOL506 I was talking about these:

Best to just keep those reserved for the References for Common Feats but I think majority of them were evaluated, I think I explained those in the comments in the References thread.

 

[Antvasima]

So is it fine if I close the references page now?

 

[KLOL506]

So is it fine if I close the references page now?

Well, I did notice this

Actually, for the vaporization part, now that I think about it...

The link it uses for mass of water, this one, states that the adult human body averaged at ~65% water.

We should prolly replace 60% there with 65%.

The ice calc uses the 65% for body water mass percentage, no reason to not assume the same in the vaporization calc. The 65% water percentage is more accurate I believe (60-63% is just for males while females are 52-55% as per the link), and thus consistency is maintained. And no tiers would change either.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Sure, make a blog and I'll check it out in a jiffy.

Freezing human to 0 K

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[KLOL506]

Freezing human to 0 K

vsbattles.fandom.com

Replied.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I know I asked this on the slicing swords blog, but the pulv end for steel is 310-1000 J/cc, what value should I be using?

 

[KLOL506]

I know I asked this on the slicing swords blog, but the pulv end for steel is 310-1000 J/cc, what value should I be using?

Use the high-end, 310 makes no sense considering v. frag is 568.5 J/cc. Other steels have higher compressive strengths AKA pulv strengths.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Use the high-end, 310 makes no sense considering v. frag is 568.5 J/cc

Oof! We may need to update the destruction values table

 

[KLOL506]

Oof! We may need to update the destruction values table

Not necessarily, the 310 J/cc value was used as a low-end, but this is an approximation of steel as a whole, not its various forms.

I said to use the pulv of high-end of steel to compensate for the fact that swords today are made of a stronger 1055 grade heat-treated carbon steel, since right now we don't have a compressive strength value for that, but it would not be as low as 310.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@KLOL506 I updated both the freezing and slicing calcs

 

[KLOL506]

@KLOL506 I updated both the freezing and slicing calcs

Slicing calcs- Wall level starts at 15000 J, not 1500, that needs fixing

Freezing calc- You forgot to fix the frostbite part where it has -274.15, change it with -273.15

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I did notice this

The ice calc uses the 65% for body water mass percentage, no reason to not assume the same in the vaporization calc. The 65% water percentage is more accurate I believe (60-63% is just for males while females are 52-55% as per the link), and thus consistency is maintained. And no tiers would change either.

Okay. That is probably fine to apply then.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@KLOL506 the calc says '3470-3600 kJ/kg', I think you mean '3470-3600 J/kg'

 

[KLOL506]

@KLOL506 the calc says '3470-3600 kJ/kg', I think you mean '3470-3600 J/kg'

ah, sorry, fixing it.

 

[KLOL506]

Fixed. I also added an absolute zero variant and linked it to Hagane's calc since that has been mostly accepted now. He just needs to fix the -274.15 to -273.15 in his opening line of the blog and that should be that for this thread.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

He just needs to fix the -274.15 to -273.15 in his opening line of the blog and that should be that for this thread.

Fixed that now

 

[KLOL506]

That about does it for this thread. Finito.