For the spot in 8-B strongest non-smurfs... Gray Fox vs Mikumo Kushinada

[SpookyShadow]

Both 8-B, speed equalized, in character willing to kill, blah blah SBA is rest

Who wins?

Gray Fox:

Mikumo Kushinada: 1

Incon:

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Why 10m?

 

[SpookyShadow]

Why not

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

We usually assume SBA range for these type of threads

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean, for the "Non-Smurf" battle it has to start from SBA range. But if you wanna debate this for fun im down.

 

[00potato]

Mikumo via skillz

Justification, Earl like the verse.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Mikumo via skillz
Justification, Earl like the verse.

Well you're not wrong

 

[SpookyShadow]

Sba range then

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Can he do anything from this range?

 

[SpookyShadow]

SBA range means range of the characters yeah? Well he moves really quickly, almost appearing to he teleporting and has high mobility so he might reduce the distance

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Speed equal, so no teleport.

 

[SpookyShadow]

You're talkin' like speed of both characters is not enough to cross that distance easily.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It is nice to close the distance sure. I just mentioned the "teleport" thing.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Btw these are the effects of Kushinada's presence (scaling above these people):

Some have it stronger than others but most master class have insane presences capable of these effects whereas some people like Kenichi and Odi have it to lesser extents. With supermasters being capable of making people lose consciousness with Ki alone

 

[Twellas]

does that stuff work on robots? Because that's what Graay fox is

 

[Firephoenixearl]

does that stuff work on robots? Because that's what Graay fox is

Hmm, i'd say so, considering their explanation.

 

[Twellas]

that scan only really talks about animals and says that it "scares" the opponent, something that wouldn't work on Fox because Cyborgs have fear inhibitors and all their emotions suppressed

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Fear inhibitors? It wouldn't work then.

So it'll be a skill fight.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Hard to consider '''S K I L L''' if one slice means she's ded

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Hard to consider S K I L L if one slice means she's ded

She can literally do the same but she can do it at range.

Also Skill includes creating 6 or more afterimages. So yes.

 

[Twellas]

afterimages that won't do a thing to trick Gray because even random foot soldiers have enchanced senses and cyborgs have stuff like thermal vision and AR, which would allow him to see though them easily

 

[SpookyShadow]

Afterimages by skill is no, that's just an ability.

Gray Fox just creates omnidirectional shockwave that hits all afterimages or does a circle slice... Not a big problem, especially for cyborgs with enhanced senses.

Also there's the fact that Gray likes to turn invisible

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean. You can count it however you want, but it literally makes her feel like you're fighting 6 people.

Ok, she just makes the afterimages again. And all the masters have enhanced senses, doesn't invalidate the afterimages.

She should still be able to fight him due to sensing his ki.

 

[SpookyShadow]

...isn't Ki like, life-force? How can you sense Ki of cyborg?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Unless he's a full on robot (not part human) he should still have Ki.

 

[Twellas]

exactly

 

[SpookyShadow]

Hmmm, well fair enough, Gray still had some of his human body parts.

 

[Twellas]

he only has his head.

Also, let's not forget that Gray has invisibility and canonically starts his battle with it on

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Oh forgot to mention her Ki can be used to create clones.

As i said invisibility gets countered by ki sensing and a bunch of other stuff like Seikuken.

 

[Twellas]

would a guy with nothing human left but an head even have Ki? Especially when 3\4 of his dialogue in MGS1 is about him not being alive?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

would a guy with nothing human left but an head even have Ki? Especially when 3\4 of his dialogue in MGS1 is about him not being alive?

He is alive if he has a functioning head. Though link me the dialogue.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Also Mikumo can sense bloodlust, forgot that (scaling from others).

 

[00potato]

It would still be harder to sense if he is mostly machine, likely making Ki senses less effective. So he wouldn't be invisible but still a bit hard to sense.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Sure, but when you have:

• Clone and afterimage creation

• Ki sensing

• Bloodlust sensing

• Deconstruction with massive range

It's not hard to deal with less skilled opponents.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Did ya automatically assume Gray is less skilled?

 

[00potato]

He can deal with after images with AOE and ki senses isn't useless but not amazing do to him being mostly machine.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Did ya automatically assume Gray is less skilled?

We can debate if you want. Im down.

@00Potato

Are we assuming the clones are useless or something? All cones are like her, a simple AoE won't put them down not to mention dodge and stuff. Then again it's 6 opponents at once.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Sorry, but I don't want to debate another shiny "skill" shenanigans. Maybe someone else wants to. I just find it crazy that you automatically assume other character is less skilled than yours.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Then why do we have to assume Gray Fox is more skilled. But like Mikumo has a pretty long skill scaling chain from pretty insanely skilled people.

 

[SpookyShadow]

>skill scaling chain

I would rather hear her feats than some scaling chain. Literally nobody assumes Gray Fox is more skilled, but assuming stuff without knowing anything about him is just, wow.