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Fist of the North Star General CRT
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1. "Scouring Light Palm" is pretty much meaningless, and it is clearly a physical attack.
2. None of the rest is.
3. I already made my argument. I don't agree with yours.
2. None of the rest is.
3. I already made my argument. I don't agree with yours.
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1 Its not, and already said why.
2 that's true but in the scan we can see the attack.
3 that's not really an argument , although you entitled to your opinion.
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This is really coming down to "yes" "no" "yes" "no" "yes" "no" so I'm pretty much done here unless you have any new arguments.
I don't like using untranslated material, and I don't like cherrypicking random feats out of untranslated material to use them when we don't know the context or how it will scale. There's also the matter that a quintillion attacks is a pretty huge jump from MHS, and since the characters don't really have any genuine lightspeed feats, it's a contender for an outlier. (Tento Seiin Ken again, seems to use ki anyways, sorry.)
People are free to agree or disagree with either argument.
I don't like using untranslated material, and I don't like cherrypicking random feats out of untranslated material to use them when we don't know the context or how it will scale. There's also the matter that a quintillion attacks is a pretty huge jump from MHS, and since the characters don't really have any genuine lightspeed feats, it's a contender for an outlier. (Tento Seiin Ken again, seems to use ki anyways, sorry.)
People are free to agree or disagree with either argument.
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What do you think @Qliphoth_Bacikal ?
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A calc member can try to interpret the lightning feat, also, and calc it if they want. If it's accepted by calc members I don't really care, and MHS+ is more sensible than FTL.
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"This is really coming down to "yes" "no" "yes" "no" "yes" "no" so I'm pretty much done here unless you have any new arguments."
I agree with you in this one.
"I don't like cherrypicking random feats out of untranslated material to use them when we don't know the context or how it will scale."
As i said before the name of attack is translated, the scan also shows the attack, and it will scale to the top tiers
"There's also the matter that a quintillion attacks is a pretty huge jump from MHS, and since the characters don't really have any genuine lightspeed feats, it's a contender for an outlier."
But they have, the Kenshiro and Han figtht for example, where is show that they fists doesn't have any shadows [3][4] and there's also the Van Der Kool feat which is not a outlier at all since we have countless statements and attacks that back this up. Also HNK being a series that accurately describes the techniques and avoids hyperbole, gives even more credit to the statements and attacks being true.
"(Tento Seiin Ken again, seems to use ki anyways, sorry.)"
Yes Tento Seiin Ken uses Ki (Every martial art in HNK universe does) but also utilizes light, it's in the matial art description
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That would be good, but i think the top tiers should have at least likely or possibly FTL in their profile.
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I agree with Promentstein.
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Gonna have to agree with Promestein on the Light Speed arguments. The most this thread can get is a likely/possibly but even that depends if everyone else can agree on that proposition.
I'm still all in on what I said regarding the lightning speed stuff earlier above.
I'm still all in on what I said regarding the lightning speed stuff earlier above.
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Do you are agree with the likely/possibly FTL ?
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Light moves at 300 million m/s
Even if the guy's arms were 1 millimeter long he'd still be punching at 100 quadrillion m/s, over 300 million x lightspeed.
Yeah, depending on the actual name of the technique, it will be a enourmous outlier, this guy's nerfed punches would cross the galaxy in 9.5 seconds
Even if the guy's arms were 1 millimeter long he'd still be punching at 100 quadrillion m/s, over 300 million x lightspeed.
Yeah, depending on the actual name of the technique, it will be a enourmous outlier, this guy's nerfed punches would cross the galaxy in 9.5 seconds
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Makes sense, but we didn't know the exactly time frame that Van Der Kool throw the punches though , i'm pretty sure that wasn't in 1 second.
What do you think about the travel speed though ?
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sorry for late reply but I'm siding with promestein here
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Should I ask a few calc group members to help us out here?
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Assuming the guy moved 1 milimeter per punch and it too 5 hours to finish the technique, it would be 18 thousand times lightspeed.
Timefram doesn't matter, 100 quintillion is too much
Timefram doesn't matter, 100 quintillion is too much
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So, is everything debunked?
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Apparently only the FTL stuff (though a "likely" rating is not out of question), while MHS ratings will need some calcs.
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Isn't all FTL stuff debunked?
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Unless there's strong evidence for even a "possibly/likely" rating, ye.
But the MHS+ feats would be okay to use provided someone calcs them.
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Well apparently most people are iffy on Lightspeed stuff and agree more with Lightning stuff, i still think they should have the possibly/likely rating, but yeah would be cool if someone could calc the "Kenshiro outruns lightining" feat.
Also, i encountered a calc that put Kenshiro in the Sub Relativistc range I think someone should evaluate this calc.
Also, i encountered a calc that put Kenshiro in the Sub Relativistc range I think someone should evaluate this calc.
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I wouldn't say strong evidence.
DT seems to have disagreed in the comments already.
DT seems to have disagreed in the comments already.
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But two others calculation members have agreed with the calculation
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Ages ago. Should be looked at again.
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Yeah, i also think that needs to be re-evaluated
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@Therefir @Ugarik @Damage3245 @KGiffoni @TheRustyOne @DemonGodMitchAubin @Jasonsith
Are any of you willing to help out a calculation here?
Are any of you willing to help out a calculation here?
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So far most claims are hyperboles.
Running so fast he carries electric charges is not massively hypersonic on its own.
I can agree though on one thing:
Kenshiro's Hokuto Senju Kai Ken is literally punching 1000 times within a time frame of a "normal" peak human punch (19.66976 m/s x 1000 = 57.34623907 m/s, High Hypersonic+, still slower than Raoh's cloud splitting punch)
Running so fast he carries electric charges is not massively hypersonic on its own.
I can agree though on one thing:
Kenshiro's Hokuto Senju Kai Ken is literally punching 1000 times within a time frame of a "normal" peak human punch (19.66976 m/s x 1000 = 57.34623907 m/s, High Hypersonic+, still slower than Raoh's cloud splitting punch)
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I think it's an outlier
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That is not even a lightning feat. Just someone being able to charge electric sparks at his fist.
All other fiction's lightning or laser dodging feats will not include that "thunder punch".
And that "One hundred quintillion punches" is a statement at best, a hyperbole likely, a bluff at worst.
(Sadly) the thousand fist attack is the closest thing other than the cloud splitting punch as a speed feat.
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uh? I'm talking about the Liu Zongwu one
eh, technique names in HNK are mostly literal and reliable, the "light" ones are too, it's just that they don't shoot light but kinda, cover their hands with light, so it being hyperbole or a bluff just doesn't make sense to me and neither does it being a statement, because we actually see the hands (not 100 quintillion for obvious reasons, but still). It being an outlier might be true, but let's not forget the Souten no Ken guy who states he can punch at the speed of light tho.
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