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Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 2 (Scaling and Multipliers)

Eseseso said:
I think the main issue is that Bambu told him to change something but never came back to look at it after it was changed.

If you could check it out since you're a calc staff, that'd be appreciated.
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He needs to add the deg, his results are still wrong when I checked it.

That's why I said that.
 
Eseseso said:
KLOL said your 97 teraton nuke calc was fine.

He said that the other calc feat needed one adjustment, but I think it was adjusted and he just didn't respond.

Since you're a calc member, can't you just check out the other calc?
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Which calculation(s) do you need evaluated here?
 
What exactly is the AP for each of these keys?

“Beginning of Series | Post-Toki’s Bind | Post-Shu's Call | Post-Timeskip | Post-Awakening | Seals Lifted”
 
Kaiser0079 said:
Huh
But isn't the multi-cont statement from Kaioh without the armor? Why would Raoh scale to that
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Because we currently downscale Raoh (as well as other characters) to that version of Kenshiro to a degree and since Kaioh its in the exatons of range the gap its big enough that they can be in the same tier (like how we do with One Piece's 5-C).

Know that this may going to chance depend if we keep the Tenryū Kokyū Hō or not, or if we will have so many characters downscale to just one statement.
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
What exactly is the AP for each of these keys?

“Beginning of Series | Post-Toki’s Bind | Post-Shu's Call | Post-Timeskip | Post-Awakening | Seals Lifted”
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You can look at my blog.
 
Antvasima said:
Which calculation(s) do you need evaluated here?
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Eseseso said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Fist of the North Star Nuke

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

You would also need @Shmeatywerbenmanjenson probably since @TheRustyOne noted an issue in his calculation.
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Thank you for helping out. 🙏

@Jasonsith @SamanPatou @Armorchompy @KLOL506 @Ugarik @Therefir @TheRustyOne @AbaddonTheDisappointment @Dalesean027 @CloverDragon03 @Shmeatywerbenmanjenson

Are any of you willing to help out here please?
 
Also, what else needs to be done here?
 
I cannot assist anymore than I have until the calculation is fixed like KLOL, and now myself have said.

Corrected planet diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)(planet diameter in pixels/panel height in pixels))^2/((tan(35)(planet diameter in pixels/panel height in pixels))^2+1))*planet diameter

If typing this formula into a calculator you must make sure that the tangent is calculated in degrees, not radians. They are doing this part wrong and have the line length as 10957.6494321 km instead, because the tangent is being calculated in radians not degrees. For the values in the calculation the actual results would be.

sqrt(1-(tan(35deg)(1768.56/1412))^2/((tan(35deg)(1768.56/1412))^2+1))*12742

Line Length = 9579.71319 km

This would change all of the other values in the calculation as well, since they're using a incorrect size to measure the nuke and displaced air.
 
Okay. Thanks a lot for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
TheRustyOne said:
I cannot assist anymore than I have until the calculation is fixed like KLOL, and now myself have said.

Corrected planet diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)(planet diameter in pixels/panel height in pixels))^2/((tan(35)(planet diameter in pixels/panel height in pixels))^2+1))*planet diameter

If typing this formula into a calculator you must make sure that the tangent is calculated in degrees, not radians. They are doing this part wrong and have the line length as 10957.6494321 km instead, because the tangent is being calculated in radians not degrees. For the values in the calculation the actual results would be.

sqrt(1-(tan(35deg)(1768.56/1412))^2/((tan(35deg)(1768.56/1412))^2+1))*12742

Line Length = 9579.71319 km

This would change all of the other values in the calculation as well, since they're using a incorrect size to measure the nuke and displaced air.
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9579.71319/1768.56 = 5.41667412 km/pp

Nuke Size -> 5.41667412 * 256.99 = 1392.03108 kilometers

Displaced Air -> 5.41667412 * 107.23 = 580.829966 kilometers

Nuke -> 696015.54^3*((27136*1.37895 +8649)^(1/2)/13568-93/13568)^2 = 2.70983173e13 Tons = 27.0981102 Teratons (6-B)

Area -> π(1128317.692^2 - 696015.54^2) = 2.47765846e12 m^2

Height -> 20 km

Mass -> 24,216,763,254,605,970 kg

Timeframe -> 1.04 seconds

Speed -> 580829.966/1.04 = 558,490.352 m/s

Energy Required -> 0.5 * 24,216,763,254,605,970 * 558,490.352^2 = 3.77674315e27 Joules = 902.663273 Petatons (High 6-A)
 
I don't think I agree with Raoh scaling to Kaioh, if he does get a Multi-Continental rating, it shouldn't be off of scaling to Kaioh but rather the nuke calc and the planet-destroying statements he scales to. Raoh just doesn't scale to even suppressed Kaioh, simple as that.

I also think Ken's keys are way too arbitrary, as I've said, Ken gets some fairly astronomical power ups randomly and he gets stronger after pretty much anything (gets stronger every time one of his friends dies, for instance, or every time he experiences sadness). I suggest we make Keys such as:
Start of Series (Ken up until the moment he embraces his successorship and becomes equal to Shin as portrayed in the movie. Pretty much everything pre-HNK would fit in this key) | Pre-Musou Tensei (this encompasses everything up to Ken achieving MT during his second fight with Raoh, since MT is significant both in terms of hax and power ups [it's described as him "developing more than ever before" in a guidebook] | End of HNK 1 (self explanatory) | Start of HNK 2 (he had 10 years of development, is stated to be "stronger than ever" in guidebooks, this would go from the start of HNK 2 to his first loss to Kaioh) | Seals Lifted (from him awakening his potential up until his defeat of Kaioh) | End of Series (everything after Kaioh's defeat, including the novel).

Nobody in HNK 1 or 2 scales to End of Series Ken, full power, swamp-amped Kaioh is the only one who scales to Seals Lifted Ken and then every character would scale depending on Ken's level of "seriousness" in the fight.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Area -> π(1128317.692^2 - 696015.54^2) = 2.47765846e12 m^2
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Your area still uses the old size for the outer radius.

sqrt(1-(tan(35deg)(1768.56/1412))^2/((tan(35deg)(1768.56/1412))^2+1))*12742

Line Length = 9579.71319 km

9579.71319/1768.56 = 5.41667412 km/pp

Nuke Size (Inner Diameter) -> 5.41667412 * 256.99 = 1392.03108 kilometers

Inner Radius = 696.01554 kilometers

Displaced Air -> 5.41667412 * 107.23 = 580.829966 kilometers

Outer Diameter = 1392.03108 + 580.829966 = 1972.86105 kilometers

Outer Radius = 986.430525 kilometers

Area -> π(986430.525^2 - 696015.54^2) = 1.5350059e+12 m^2

Height -> 20 km

Mass = 15003227876179254 kg

Timeframe -> 1.04 seconds

Speed -> 580829.966/1.04 = 558,490.352 m/s

Energy Required -> 0.5 15003227876179254 558,490.352^2 = 2.3398395e+27 Joules = 559.235 Petatons of TNT (High 6-A)

This should be the correct results for the air displacement.
 
Twellas said:
Start of Series (Ken up until the moment he embraces his successorship and becomes equal to Shin as portrayed in the movie. Pretty much everything pre-HNK would fit in this key) | Pre-Musou Tensei (this encompasses everything up to Ken achieving MT during his second fight with Raoh, since MT is significant both in terms of hax and power ups [it's described as him "developing more than ever before" in a guidebook] | End of HNK 1 (self explanatory) | Start of HNK 2 (he had 10 years of development, is stated to be "stronger than ever" in guidebooks, this would go from the start of HNK 2 to his first loss to Kaioh) | Seals Lifted (from him awakening his potential up until his defeat of Kaioh) | End of Series (everything after Kaioh's defeat, including the novel)
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Looks fine, although i'm not sure about using HNK 1 and HNK 2 when those terminologies are only Anime exclusive, i personally i would prefer if it was like this:

Start of Series | Pre-Musou Tensei | Post-Musou Tensei | Post-Timeskip | Seals Lifted | End of Series
 
Stefano4444 said:
Pretty sure only the Hokuto Ryuken stuff was accepted, unsure about the rest but considering that those would be only support feats i think they aren't a priority.
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Should this value be added too? Not only do you need to vaporize the oceans, but also make sure the water escapes so it doesn’t come back down to Earth:

0.5*1.36754450205E+21*11179.9385^2 = 8.546539E28 J High 6-A+
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Should this value be added too? Not only do you need to vaporize the oceans, but also make sure the water escapes so it doesn’t come back down to Earth:

0.5*1.36754450205E+21*35354.1^2 = 8.54653957E29 J 5-C
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I'm not expert calculator, but can the kinetic energy formula be apply in this case?

Also where did you get the 35354.1? If that refer to the escape velocity wouldn't that be 11,176 m/s?

0.5*1.36754450205E+21*11176^2 = 8.54051891e28 J = 20.387 Exatons.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Also where did you get the 35354.1? If that refer to the escape velocity wouldn't that be 11,176 m/s?
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Isn’t the escape velocity formula V = sqrt(2*G*M/R)? I got the value for the escape velocity by putting Earth’s mass and radius in

Edit: Looks like I used the wrong value of 5.9722E25 kg instead of 5.9722E24 kg
 
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If the new nuke calc is accepted, Raoh's ratings don't need to change, which is kinda funny
However the Jagi feat was always kinda weird to me because of how it is presented, are we sure he was at the epicenter? Are there more supporting evidence of the non-Kaioh characters being comparable to the nukes?
 
Kaiser0079 said:
If the new nuke calc is accepted, Raoh's ratings don't need to change, which is kinda funny
However the Jagi feat was always kinda weird to me because of how it is presented, are we sure he was at the epicenter? Are there more supporting evidence of the non-Kaioh characters being comparable to the nukes?
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Although is there anything to show how high into High 6-B Kenshiro was?

Also what’re “Toki’s bind” and “Shu’s Call”?
 
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