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Dimension 7 refers to the originalThere are two FFVII, the classic and the remake, the classic takes place in the X universe and the Remake in a different universe (or vice versa) because its own events contradict the classic.
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Dimension 7 refers to the originalThere are two FFVII, the classic and the remake, the classic takes place in the X universe and the Remake in a different universe (or vice versa) because its own events contradict the classic.
Stranger of Paradise is the only time it's contradicted, any other time the connection is brought up it's consistentWhere?
There are two FFVII, the classic and the remake, the classic takes place in the X universe and the Remake in a different universe (or vice versa) because its own events contradict the classic.
When has it ever been consistent? And stranger of paradise contradicting it is still a contradictionStranger of Paradise is the only time it's contradicted, any other time the connection is brought up it's consistent
Shinra from X-2 is still one of the founding members of Shinra even in the remake he's seen in one of the companies 1st photos
Both Nojima in an interview and both of the X-2 Ultimania and VII Ultimania Omega have stated X and VII exist in the same universe but different time periods and planets, alongside even Kitase confirming in an interview that they are connected. Simply saying "but Stranger of Paradise is a contradiction" doesn't mean we throw away all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary especially when it's not even that old to say they decided to shelve it like with Shinra's picture in VII Remake.When has it ever been consistent? And stranger of paradise contradicting it is still a contradiction
Uh... @SamanPatou ?Hmmm, fine, however, is the act of merging the Auron profiles out of being the same character fine then after all?
1 piece of evidence from the games themselves is more valid than any amount of author statementBoth Nojima in an interview and both of the X-2 Ultimania and VII Ultimania Omega have stated X and VII exist in the same universe but different time periods and planets, alongside even Kitase confirming in an interview that they are connected. Simply saying "but Stranger of Paradise is a contradiction" doesn't mean we throw away all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary especially when it's not even that old to say they decided to shelve it like with Shinra's picture in VII Remake.
Ask Antvasima to commentUh... @SamanPatou ?
Why would they not be different dimensions?Still haven't played Stranger of Paradise, so quick question: taking a quick look at the Fool's Missives it wasn't mentioned in the letters themselves, but is it mentioned anywhere that the dimensions mentioned are actually different universes or is it just assumed? We can't really forget how ambiguous (and problematic) the word "dimension" can be because its exact extent can be tricky. And the way the letters are written could be taken that different settings are being addressed, true, and are designated as different worlds by calling them dimensions.
There's no confirmation that the different dimensions are just different time periods, its better to say the different dimensions are different dimensions, no need for wild assumptionsMy bad, I expressed myself wrong, they are dimensions, yes, my question is if it is openly stated that each dimension is a different universe or we just assume so.
What I mean, if there's no outright confirmation other factors could also be considered to separate the different settings as different dimensions, such as different time periods. Which is something to factor in with the X to VII connection, FFVII is several years after the story of X, so visiting game era Spira and the Mako-Civilization Planet of VII would mean jumping between the past and the future for the same person visiting them.
Which we have, Shinra's picture combined with Kitase, The Ultimanias, and Nojima's statements1 piece of evidence from the games themselves is more valid than any amount of author statement
That's solely your assumption and nothing based in fact. You're trying to go off 1 thing against several and trying to rationalize existing info to suit your argumentThe shinra's picture would just be a different universe than the shinra from X-2
That's a made up definition and you'd have to prove why that interpretation is more consistentWell, a "different dimension" can also mean a "different metric" (in this case time), so two separate planets being called "dimensions" in this context isn't too questionable.
The pictures could just be alternate universe versions, like how there's other universes where people like Terra, Squall, Cloud exist (Chocobo GP), and as shown in Ring of Fates, there's infinite universes where there can be infinite versions of someone that is similar. The author statements have a lot less validity than the source materialWhich we have, Shinra's picture combined with Kitase, The Ultimanias, and Nojima's statements
That's solely your assumption and nothing based in fact. You're trying to go off 1 thing against several and trying to rationalize existing info to suit your argument
AndThe pictures could just be alternate universe versions, like how there's other universes where people like Terra, Squall, Cloud exist (Chocobo GP), and as shown in Ring of Fates, there's infinite universes where there can be infinite versions of someone that is similar. The author statements have a lot less validity than the source material
We don't? I don't think that the idea of worlds outside of the realms was introduced yet with the exception of unreality and the fact that Quadratum is viewed as fiction in the Toy Story universe would imply that it is on the main cosmology's side of reality unlike Quadratum.For reference, we don't assume the Toy Story universe is within KH's, even if Woody and company were canonically grabbed from there by Young Xehanort, as the "world" that appears in KH is just a copy YX did, and the whereabouts of the original for all we know would be in another multiverse, unless anybody is willing to correct me.
I already told you why the photo wouldn't be evidenceAnd
A. The source Material shows Shinra in the photo, you can't just go and say "well that source material doesn't count" just because it counters your own argument
B. It's backed up by statements from Nojima, Kitase and the Ultimanias
There's far more backing for X and VII being connected than it not being, so far your sole arguments is trying to make some reason up as to why Shinra blatantly being in a picture in 7 remake and 4 different statements on 4 different occasions by 4 different sources are suddenly superceded by your 1 conflicting statement from SoP.
There's far more backing for X and VII being connected than it not being, so far your sole arguments is trying to make some reason up as to why Shinra blatantly being in a picture in 7 remake and 4 different statements on 4 different occasions by 4 different sources are suddenly superceded by your 1 conflicting statement from SoP.
Well, if we did that'd lead into anyone in TS having a heart, which we don't and just assume it's a thing only within the KH events (Which TBH raises more questions at best), although I recall that's more so out of some staff at the time being uncomfortable with it even being a canon crossover to both sides.We don't? I don't think that the idea of worlds outside of the realms was introduced yet with the exception of unreality and the fact that Quadratum is viewed as fiction in the Toy Story universe would imply that it is on the main cosmology's side of reality unlike Quadratum.
I guess you are referring to the Resistances inherent to the heart that are indexed on the profiles? In my opinion that should be left out of the regular Toy Story keys due to not being a featured element in its regular canon.Well, if we did that'd lead into anyone in TS having a heart, which we don't and just assume it's a thing only within the KH events (Which TBH raises more questions at best), although I recall that's more so out of some staff at the time being uncomfortable with it even being a canon crossover to both sides.
This will be the last I say on this because this is derailing at this point:I already told you why the photo wouldn't be evidence
Both X-2's Ultimania and VII's Ultimania Omega have clear statements of X and VII being connected when they refer to Shinra, the character and no you just said it was without any backing.What ultimania statement? And I already refuted that, the author is less valid than a game
Well, thing is that per recent revisions that'd also now include things that'd be inherent to their physiology (abstract existence for example), that can't just be divided like that without assuming the KH stuff remains only within such events (Which doesn't really work like that on that regard), but again, I recall that currently is mainly out of being a sort of "possibly" key but for canonicity. In any case that's quite off-topic.
At most I can see Auron having a single file with two or more keys for FF and KH, considering him a single person.
Similarities between the series can be for the simple fact that they are developed by the same company with KH stemming from FF in the first place, but I believe that, for our purpose and the ideas that were behind the conception of both series (considering FF is quite olden than KH) we shouldn't consider them being the same canon throughly, especially out of simple WoG and some common points.
Uh...Hmmm, fine, however, is the act of merging the Auron profiles out of being the same character fine then after all?
The two places seem to just be connected because yes, maybe underworld shenanigans, dimensional portals or else, without further details we shouldn't assume anything more than a simple inter-dimensional connection that likely doesn't affect either place meaningfully.
WoG isn't always true, consistent and in this case it's a huge statement that also involves games and stuff on which Nomura doesn't have authority. To consider them the same, big multiverse, we should have many more references, evidences and most likely in-game confirmations on both sides.
For example, the Street Fighter universe is known for encompassing other three verses because of recurring characters, references withing the story of the games, infos in official guides and even word of god.