Featured Matchup 3! 2B VS Astolfo

[Gemmysaur]

Iirc, the Trap (heh) of Argalia works like an arrow to the knee in Skyrim, better actually, if the anime's adaptation of the battle against Avicebron's Adam golem is correct. The same golem that shrugged off attacks from Mordred, Chiron and Jeanne got its ankle cut off.

That said, imo, Astolfo's Luna Break Manual should resist most haxx 2B has. S/he also has La Black Luna for aoe attacks to use against pods as well as dealing a crippling blow to the 2B's hearing, and he can use it with Hippogriff too.

 

[Schnee_One]

>immune to conventional weapons

Verse equalization.

Question is how far does that go? Will it make 2B hurt Astolfo but make Astolfo's magic resistance and book work?

We need clarification

 

[Blanked]

Well,well... It appears i won't be able to use the godly thighs as a reason anymore.

Anyway as Gargoyle said a bit of clarification here is necessary.

That said based on what @Gemmy said i will vote for Astolfo here. Mostly the AOE attacks that help dealing with her annoying pods.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Pretty sure servants not being able to be harmed by conventional weapons is in the same vain as stands not being able to be hurt by bullets and the like.

Basically that. What ya just said.

 

[Hizack123]

2B FRA.....


But Astolfo will alway be the best girl.

 

[Schnee_One]

GET OUT OF HERE

 

[Theglassman12]

2B should take this for the reasons stated above.

 

[Schnee_One]

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[Gemmysaur]

2B gets stabbed here guys.

 

[Schnee_One]

She then proceeds to heal with one of her healing chips, smile, then have a harem with 9S, Ast, and A2

 

[Blanked]

Stop derailing before Scarlet uses THE LINE!

 

[Hizack123]

I still think that 2B is 2 haxx for Astolfo.

 

[Schnee_One]

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[ScarletFirefly]

Me after coming back to the thread after several hours

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Well ya picked Astolfo, ya can only blame yourself my man.

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

In addition, Astolfo is immune to conventional weapons. Does 2B have attacks with any sort of magic in them?

Well Shades/Gestalts are basically disembodied soul and Replicant and Androids can kill them. Many of the weapons 2B has possess some sort of magical effect or ability as they come from the previous games. Androids can affect magical affairs as this was made evident when they and the Replicants used magic to send Queen-beast's Maso to another dimension. Popola and Devola (Androids) were the ones the Sealed Verses(some strong magic) originated from which were in the Grimoires.

2B and 9S default weapons have some sort of abilites in them called Holy Blessing and Dark Impluse iirc. Many of the tech is based of previous known phenomena in the previous games like the Androids themselves are made from the maso-based technology(Angelus' maso) which is sort of shown with the Angelic characters being integrated into Automata's tech and hacking iirc , so while they don't use magic like the old world the Androids of Automata have some level magic to them.

Edit: verse equalization doesn't get rid of a Servant's immunity to conventional weapons, if it's a normal steel sword or bullets it won't hurt a Servant unless it has some sort of enchantment or used together with some supernatural ability.

 

[ExerciseDancefloors]

Vote 2-B for versatility and reasons stated above.

 

[Schnee_One]

In which case, the arguments above still stand

 

[Schnee_One]

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[Newendigo]

When you said "conventional weapons", you mean swords, spears, arrows, axes etc? Because, almost any servant use this weapons. Or something more modern such as firearms, missiles, laser and the like?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Newendigo

Modern weapons. Anything without magical power is useless against a Servant. You can drop a nuke on them and they wouldn't feel a thing due to the fact that the nuke is lacking in mystery.

A paper knife wielded by a Servant is more dangerous to them than any modern warhead.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

And this a robot from a desolate future where magic once existed and such.

Not modern, and has mystery by our standard.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

When you said "conventional weapons", you mean swords, spears, arrows, axes etc? Because, almost any servant use this weapons. Or something more modern such as firearms, missiles, laser and the like?

If the weapon lacks magic or some sort of mystical property, it will not harm a servant.

It doesn't matter what it is. No magic? No effect.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Plus not like non organic stuff or people cannot attain any, weapons can.

 

[Reppuzan]

@J-Man

That isn't exactly true. Mystery has already mostly dried up due to the advancement of the Age of Man in the Nasuverse (as referenced in numerous Noble Phantasms like Edison's). Going even further to the future, when machines have all but taken over, would only further decrease the Mystery.

@Sage

I just asked The Everlasting. The weapons themselves are recreations. They aren't magical aside from possibly the Engine Blade, and Emil's magical attacks bypassed all Android defense systems:

"Alert: Magical weapons from the old world detected. Magical elements have a high probability of penetrating all defense systems. Proposal: Evade."

 

[Schnee_One]

"It's not that easy you Dumbass!"

 

[Newendigo]

>They have resistance to magic.

>They have resistance to tech.

God KEK.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah, But Nier isn't the same world.

This only goes so far, it's not much different then gimping stands, preventing nen baptism, equalizing whatever bleach dues and that spooky shit.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Newendigo

Tech can have mystery if it's old enough or if it's imbued with magical energy like modern puppets and Mystic Codes.

Heck, a rolled up poster filled with a tiny amount of magical energy is more of a threat to a Servant than a gun.

Since the Androids were developed with science in the far future, when magic is dry and all but extinct, it's highly doubtful that they'll have mystery.

 

[Schnee_One]

Well what a mismatch we have we have here

 

[Reppuzan]

That said, Time Slow ca affect Astolfo, since it's an ability bordering on True Magic.

But its effects can be dulled with his Magic Resistance and his tome.

 

[FateAlbane]

Wait, isn't that taking the mistery stuff a bit too far?

By that logic if I threw Astolfo against some 3-C Galaxy Busting Robot who was just made the robot would be unable to even scratch him.

 

[Reppuzan]

@J-Man

2B still has the Engine Blade at least, but Astolfo isn't going down without a fight thanks to his Hippogriff.

 

[Schnee_One]

That said, Time Slow ca affect Astolfo, since it's an ability bordering on True Magic.

But its effects can be dulled with his Magic Resistance and his tome.

How is Magic resistance helping against technology?

 

[Newendigo]

It would destroy Ast, resistance only make you go so far /:

 

[Reppuzan]

@Fate

3-C Galaxy Throwing Robot like Gurren Lagann is likely to have Mystery given that it's powered by supernatural energy born from willpower.

Other Super Robots could also work, given that their power sources are often really old or have some sort of supernatural component not related to science.

 

[Newendigo]

So, if it does not have magic, it can't affect them, if it have magic then their magic resistance null that.

Hyper-KEK, also Altosfo FRA.

 

[Schnee_One]

If Fate characters are seriously like this.

Then we have a lot of Fate matches to remove,

 

[FateAlbane]

@Repp No, I meant like, if someone without mistery can't ever hurt a servant, a robot just made right then and there at 3-C tier, and assuming said robot has no mistery, would be unable to hurt them by the same logic because no matter how powerful they are they lack mistery so.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Newendigo

I can't say it nulls everything though. Magical weapons like Noble Phantasms and Servant attacks can hurt Astolfo. But things like energy beams have to burn through Astolfo's Magic Resistance first.

Given that it's stopped EX-Rank magical bombardments from Semiramis when its full power is released when Astolfo regained his reason, I don't think 2B's energy blasts will do anything.

If her guns and swords had Mystery, then it would be a different story (see Lancelot).