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Fear and Famine (Fear and Hunger Discussion Thread)

Tyranno223 said:
Fear and Hunger characters have some amazing endurance/stamina. Just cutting off an arm and going about your day is something else.
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Also finally getting through Termina, and yeah. I thought the first game was crazy with stamina/endurance but 2 takes it much further. Even early on, there's that possibility
of your character getting their legs sawed off, and spending what appears to a day crucified without any treatment before being saved by August, and afterwards being able to still continue onwards.
 
Also, should we be sorting abilities and equipment around the lines of...
What they normally have | What they could have if they managed to somehow grab everything | Magic | Resistances ?
 
I'm playing Termina, I haven't finished it yet, but I'm curious to know which level of the characters Termina at its peak?
 
Fresh_PlayTM said:
I'm playing Termina, I haven't finished it yet, but I'm curious to know which level of the characters Termina at its peak?
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Spoilers but text dump:
  • Just for speed the characters should at least have supersonic speed given they can avoid gunfire, and fight characters who can avoid gunfire in battle. Interestingly, Le'garde reappears in Termina and is able to dodge gunfire too, which has interesting implications for the speed of F&H 1 characters.
  • Termina cast should also scale from Le'garde physically, with ap + durability feats from the first game ranging from Wall level - Building level.
  • I calculated this after seeing it in game. This supports the higher end being a Small Building level feat from a relatively early moonscorched contestant.
  • Additionally, the main antagonist Per'kele can call down small meteors, which further supports the higher end of tiering, being Small Building level - Building level.
  • Magic and new gods should scale to or above these levels, albeit still relevant to characters who can use and fight against magic and new gods respectively.
  • Ascended + gods exist outside the world entirely as transcendent beings: At least Low 1-C from being beyond all timelines/fates in lore (the greater scheme of things).
  • On that, the old gods you 'fight' in game are just the traces they left behind in the world. In the first game, they make for a few final or hardmode bosses. Said bosses are 'beatable,' but only in the sense of progression. Characters are far from even remotely doing anything to these traces, or the one ascended god final boss in 1, and the traces and ascended god barely even try. In Termina; the old god Rher is the last to stay in the world, and the main cast 'beat' them to progress. That is: Rher just disengages from the fight out of a lack of interest to continue after a certain point. I'm sure it counts for something to fend off a moon, but the long and short of it is that the old + ascended gods are in a class of their own, and 'scaling' to their traces is at best just characters prolonging a losing battle (and inevitable death) against any of them unless said trace or god loses interest like Rher does.
 
StretchSebe said:
Spoilers but text dump:
  • Just for speed the characters should at least have supersonic speed given they can avoid gunfire, and fight characters who can avoid gunfire in battle. Interestingly, Le'garde reappears in Termina and is able to dodge gunfire too, which has interesting implications for the speed of F&H 1 characters.
  • Termina cast should also scale from Le'garde physically, with ap + durability feats from the first game ranging from Wall level - Building level.
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It's worth noting that Kaiser is capable of one-shotting Termina contestants like Pav and August (the latter being on the stronger side of contestants). They can obviously beat him, so they are comparable, but notably weaker
StretchSebe said:
  • On that, the old gods you 'fight' in game are just the traces they left behind in the world. In the first game, they make for a few final or hardmode bosses. Said bosses are 'beatable,' but only in the sense of progression. Characters are far from even remotely doing anything to these traces, or the one ascended god final boss in 1, and the traces and ascended god barely even try. In Termina; the old god Rher is the last to stay in the world, and the main cast 'beat' them to progress. That is: Rher just disengages from the fight out of a lack of interest to continue after a certain point. I'm sure it counts for something to fend off a moon, but the long and short of it is that the old + ascended gods are in a class of their own, and 'scaling' to their traces is at best just characters prolonging a losing battle (and inevitable death) against any of them unless said trace or god loses interest like Rher does.
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It's only the traces of Rher. Even Rher has left by Termina (unknown for F&H 1 as he still has some direct servants showing up there).
 
Tyranno223 said:
It's worth noting that Kaiser is capable of one-shotting Termina contestants like Pav and August (the latter being on the stronger side of contestants). They can obviously beat him, so they are comparable, but notably weaker

It's only the traces of Rher. Even Rher has left by Termina (unknown for F&H 1 as he still has some direct servants showing up there).
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Good addendums
 
wasnt there a calc of the player tanking a lunar meteorite from per'kele? was it not accepted?
 
Tyranno223 said:
This is kinda dead. Anyway, not gonna work on any pages or stuff while I'm busy with LotR but at the very least, I think the Yellow King gets the stuff below
I'm probably missing some New god specific stuff, but hope this might help.
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Might make this an actual page since the verse could do with revivial.
 
Is this still alive? Just finished both games and eager to follow if anything's being done for the verse.
 
Curious on where stuff like the Old Gods can scale since the profiles rn are just for low tiers. They have some good statements after all.
 
Abscoolguy said:
Curious on where stuff like the Old Gods can scale since the profiles rn are just for low tiers. They have some good statements after all.
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Their traces are 8-A

Their true forms are apparently Low 2-C to Low 1-C but I have issues with that
 
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ShockingPsychic said:
I don't think they do, how would they?


Yellow King is a new god, same as Nilvian and Greater Blight. What's your point?
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You can fight new gods after fighting Traces. They are thus not incomparable to casual Traces. Obviously they wouldn't compare beyond the "not killing the party in one attack" degree of casualness the Traces employ.
 
Did you mean Silvian?

And don't the traces hold back during their fights? Silvian and Rher both just leave, and Grog kills you anyway
 
ShockingPsychic said:
Did you mean Silvian?

And don't the traces hold back during their fights? Silvian and Rher both just leave, and Grog kills you anyway
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Silvian, yeah. Oops.

It's implied they're holding back. Silvian and Rher leave because they lose interest in you. Gro can one shot Nas'hrah who is arguably the strongest FH1 party member but doesn't do it to the others until the fight is over.
 
I mean we have Rher creating all the dimensions and stuff you can enter to get the effigy's and etc, but tbf I don't know how big any of them are
 
I keep seeing that Sylvian made the world, but I can only find evidence that she created humanity. Is there anything backing up the world claim?
 
I’d assume it’s from one of the in-game books but I forgot which one. I could maybe check the files
 
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