Fate Grand Order: Servant lifting strengths

[Regidian]

I have just see that the categorization of lifting strengh fo servant are really bad.

Many servant are class 25 for scalling to Arturia lifting a truck, but Arturia herself is class K for scalling to Achilles feat.

We have too, many servant that are just superhuman when we have the feat of Xuanzang (rank E strengh) who can do that ( Can effortlessly wield the Ruyi Jingu Bang, which was said to weigh around 7960 kg) which is class 10, and medusa who is class 50 (rank C strengh at that time) with this feat (Capable of lifting and throwing a road roller)

So we should make

• Servant that are rank E, class 10 according to xuanzang feat.
• Servant that are rank C, class 50 according to Medusa feat.
• Servant that are class B and higher, class K according to Achilles feat.

For servant with rank B strengh we could use too the feat of Quetz lifting and throw away Mardux axe who have the weight equivalent of the city of Eridu, (Axe of Marduk is a divine weapon shown in the Babylonia Singularity. Its size is enormous and its weight is equivalent to the city of Eridu)

( the video have only a duration of ~0.20 sec).

Or by another feat done by quetz servant which is (Utilized Xiuhcoatl to piledrive Gugalanna, which was at least as large as a mountain) categorised as rank T
(https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...d_af_golden_bull_with_a_beak_thingy_and_wings)

And people that are tell to be stronger than a certain number of servant (like three tail tamamo and ruler arturia) should upscale too by the same number in lifting strengh as their equally stronger in all stat.



We can too just scale all servant in lifting strength beetween them except the one know for being physically weaker.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Idk what Class it is, but Asterios lifted the Golden Hind in Okenos singularity which in Fate/Extra is stated to be 1,000 tons.

 

[Regidian]

Idk what Class it is, but Asterios lifted the Golden Hind in Okenos singularity which in Fate/Extra is stated to be 1,000 tons.

Yep and even if he have rank A++ strength, he is stated by himself to be weaker physically than Heracles.

Anyways the feat of of Asterios doing it in Okaenos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827222433059962960/831380025818349578/Screenshot_20210412-230655.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827222433059962960/831383971139944458/Screenshot_20210412-232239.png

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Martha who has Rank D Strength stopped a speeding train in its tracks (56:00). Does this count as a pun?

 

[Antvasima]

@Iapitus_The_Impaler @Solacis @RegisNex1232 @CrimsonStarFallen @Theglassman12 @Promestein @FDrybob @Dragonmasterxyz @Veloxt1r0kore @Creaturemaster971 @Zencha9 @Strife304

What do you think about this?

 

[Regidian]

Bump, mmmm i don't think that this crt is that hard to understand...

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Just like we do with AP, we shouldn't separate LS via rank. Not only is it a pain to separate the profiles, but Servants are shown to not be that different from each other anyway, regardless of rank

Either way, as Unshakable noted, Asterius has a Class M feat, and in Summer 2 Quetz backdropped Gugalama, which is a Class T feat (if anyone can get the feat for me i'd thank you), so they should scale to either one of those.

 

[Regidian]

Just like we do with AP, we shouldn't separate LS via rank. Not only is it a pain to separate the profiles, but Servants are shown to not be that different from each other anyway, regardless of rank

Either way, as Unshakable noted, Asterius has a Class M feat, and in Summer 2 Quetz backdropped Gugalama, which is a Class T feat (if anyone can get the feat for me i'd thank you), so they should scale to either one of those.

I have the feat i think

 

[Zencha9]

But quetz is vastly above normal servants

 

[Regidian]

But quetz is vastly above normal servants

Babylonia quetz but not servant quetz, but i think we should use more Asterios feat

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Babylonia quetz but not servant quetz, but i think we should use more Asterios feat

I think it's also better use the Asterios one because is a bit problematic that she as someone with Rank A strength have a better feat than someone Rank A+, that and in general I think that Quetz is a exception in all sense even as servant because of how the other servants treat her.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I mean, if Quetz itself have the feats I think is fine that they are noted in her profile, but don't use her feats to other servants in general, if she is used in general can make problems.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Have no issue scaling all to Asterios.
Santa Servants, like Summer Quetz are above normal Servants; her A Rank Noble Phantasm have the impact of the meteor that wiped the dinosaurs. Santa Karna also have casual FTL combat speed.

If we scale to all Servants, a follow-up CRT to increase the physicals of E Rank Servants would be in order.

 

[Regidian]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the summarised conclusions here so far?

 

[Regidian]

What are the summarised conclusions here so far?

Using the feat of Asterios lifting a 1000t ship as the scalling for general servant.

The weaker physically servant will scale to Anastasia class 5 feat

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

@Iapitus_The_Impaler @Solacis @RegisNex1232 @Theglassman12 @Promestein @FDrybob @Dragonmasterxyz @Veloxt1r0kore @Creaturemaster971 @Strife304

I would appreciate if you could evaluate this please.

 

[Regidian]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Anyone?

 

[Regidian]

Bump

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So everyone fine with Asterios' feat as general strength?

After this I'll be making a CRT that even E Rank Strength Servants somewhat physically scale to others.

 

[Antvasima]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Wokistan @Mr._Bambu @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Ogbunabali @Abstractions

Would any of you be willing to help evaluate this please?

 

[Damage3245]

I'm not familiar with the verse or why everybody would be scaling to this particular feat.

 

[Ogbunabali]

What Damage said. Don't know anything about this verse.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, help would still be appreciated, so we can get something done here. Staff members are supposed to help out with evaluating content revision threads in general, if there are no knowledgeable members available.

 

[Ogbunabali]

You say that, but I can't do anything about it if I don't know anything about the verse. Don't know half the words used in the OP, they might as well be speaking Arabic to me.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then. I will try again with the knowledgeable members, but they have mostly been unhelpful so far.

@Iapitus_The_Impaler @Solacis @RegisNex1232 @Theglassman12 @Promestein @FDrybob @Dragonmasterxyz @Veloxt1r0kore @Creaturemaster971 @Strife304

We would greatly appreciate your help with evaluating this.

 

[Promestein]

a) I don't follow Fate/anymore so stop pestering me

b) What the **** is there to evaluate about such an explicit feat?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. You should preferably remove yourself from the supporters list then.

If this is explicit, it can probably be applied then.

There is no need to be rude though.

 

[Regidian]

Good

 

[Antvasima]

Tell us here when you are done.

 

[Solacis]

I am no longer following the Nasuverse. Tbh I haven't been since I got really into Persona. Also, this is pretty straightforward, so I have no idea why there's any discussion needed.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know how the verse works almost at all, and prefer to spread the workload.

Anyway, this seems to have been accepted then.

 

[Avengershows]

Martha who has Rank D Strength stopped a speeding train in its tracks (56:00). Does this count as a pun?

completely unrelated to anything joke, Why is Durandal in FGO video thumbnail? (this is a joke I'm not serious before anyone misinterprets)

 

[Antvasima]

So is somebody who knows what he or she is doing, in terms of editing structure and knowledge of this verse, willing to apply what has been accepted here?

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So... Asterios' Class M feat seems to actually be a Class K one, because the 1000 ton statement is for the Spanish ships Francis Drake defeated, not her ships.

From the Fate/Extra materials:

The Night of the Golden Hind and the Storm. This Noble Phantasm is Rider’s trump card, but it sees a lot of use. With the flagship Golden Hind at the center, countless small ships swarm out and exterminate the enemy with their overwhelming firepower. It’s an anti-army Noble Phantasm based on a mix of the Fire Ships that destroyed Spain’s “invincible” armada, and the widely known European legend of The Night of Storms. [...] The episode of Drake destroying the “invincible” armada is extremely famous, and after that Drake came to be known in Spain as El Draque [Demon Dragon]. The invincible armada consisted of over 100 huge ships that were each 1000 tons or more and had more than 65,000 troops aboard. They were setting out to conquer England. To counter the Spanish Armada, El Draque, whose formal title was vice-commander (but effectively the top commander), led the English fleet to battle. The English fleet had double the ships of the Spanish Armada, but they were all small ships, and they were manned by less than half the number of soldiers that were aboard the Spanish Armada. [...] These were ships stuffed with combustibles that were rammed into Spanish Armada ships. El Draque used 100-ton class ships (the same size as used in modern naval combat today) as Fire Ships to quickly destroy many Spanish ships.

100 Ton is more in line with the historical weight of the Golden Hind.

So should we settle on Class K, and make the justification cite both Achille and Asterios?

List of profiles:

1. Alter Ego (Mecha Eli-chan MkII)
2. Alter Ego (Mecha Eli-chan)
3. Alter Ego (Okita Alter)
4. Angelica Ainsworth (L)
5. Aoko Aozaki (T)
6. Archer (Anne Bonny and Mary Read)
7. Archer (Arash)
8. Archer (Arjuna)
9. Archer (Artoria)
10. Archer (Attila)
11. Archer (Aśvatthāmā)
12. Archer (Billy the Kid)
13. Archer (Calamity Jane)
14. Archer (Chloe von Einzbern)
15. Archer (David)
16. Archer (EMIYA Alter) (L)
17. Archer (Euryale) (L w)
18. Archer (Fate/Extra) (L)
19. Archer (Fate/stay night) (L)
20. Archer (Florence Nightingale)
21. Archer (Fujino Asagami) (L w)
22. Archer (Helena Blavatsky)
23. Archer (Ishtar) (L)
24. Archer (James Moriarty) (L)
25. Archer (Nikola Tesla)
26. Archer (Nobunaga Oda)
27. Archer (Paris)
28. Archer (Sei Shonagon)
29. Archer (Super Orion) (L)
30. Archer (Tawara Touta)
31. Archer (Tomoe Gozen)
32. Archer (Tristan)
33. Archer of Black (Chiron) (L)
34. Archer of Red (Atalanta)
35. Artemis (Fate Series)
36. Assassin (Carmilla)
37. Assassin (Charles-Henri Sanson)
38. Assassin (Charlotte Corday) (L w | )
39. Assassin (Cleopatra)
40. Assassin (Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde)
41. Assassin (EMIYA)
42. Assassin (Fate/Extra) (L)
43. Assassin (Fate/stay night) (L)
44. Assassin (Fate/Zero) (L)
45. Assassin (Fuma Kotaro)
46. Assassin (Hassan of Serenity)
47. Assassin (Hassan of the Cursed Arm) (L)
48. Assassin (Jing Ke)
49. Assassin (Katou Danzou)
50. Assassin (Mata Hari)
51. Assassin (MHX)
52. Assassin (Nitocris)
53. Assassin (Okada Izō)
54. Assassin (Osakabehime)
55. Assassin (Phantom of the Opera)
56. Assassin (Scáthach) (L)
57. Assassin (Shiki Ryougi) (L)
58. Assassin (Shuten-douji)
59. Assassin (Stheno) (L w)
60. Assassin (Wu Zetian)
61. Assassin (Yan Qing)
62. Assassin (Yu Miaoyi)
63. Assassin of Black (Jack the Ripper) (L)
64. Avenger (Antonio Salieri) (w | )
65. Avenger (Demon King Nobunaga)
66. Avenger (Edmond Dantès)
67. Avenger (Gorgon) (L)
68. Avenger (Hessian Lobo)
69. Avenger (Jeanne Alter)
70. Avenger (Space Ishtar)
71. Bazett Fraga McRemitz (Fate/Kaleid) (T)
72. BB (Fate/Grand Order)
73. Beatrice Flowerchild
74. Berserker (Arcueid Brunestud) (L)
75. Berserker (Arjuna Alter) (L)
76. Berserker (Asterios)
77. Berserker (Beowulf)
78. Berserker (Caligula)
79. Berserker (Chacha)
80. Berserker (Cú Alter) (L)
81. Berserker (Darius III)
82. Berserker (Eric Bloodaxe)
83. Berserker (Fate/Extra)
84. Berserker (Fate/Requiem)
85. Berserker (Fate/stay night) (L)
86. Berserker (Fate/Zero) (L)
87. Berserker (Florence Nightingale)
88. Berserker (Hijikata Toshizou)
89. Berserker (Ibaraki-douji)
90. Berserker (MHX Alter)
91. Berserker (Minamoto no Raikou)
92. Berserker (Mori Nagayoshi)
93. Berserker (Nobunaga Oda)
94. Berserker (Paul Bunyan)
95. Berserker (Penthesilea)
96. Berserker (Sakata Kintoki)
97. Berserker (Tamamo Cat)
98. Berserker (Vlad III)
99. Berserker of Black (Frankenstein's Monster) (L)
100. Berserker of Red (Spartacus) (L)
101. Caster (Archimedes) (L w)
102. Caster (Asclepius) (L)
103. Caster (Charles Babbage)
104. Caster (Cú Chulainn)
105. Caster (Elizabeth Báthory)
106. Caster (Fate/Extra CCC) (L w)
107. Caster (Fate/Extra) (L)
108. Caster (Fate/Zero)
109. Caster (Geronimo)
110. Caster (Gilgamesh) (L)
111. Caster (Helena Blavatsky) (w)
112. Caster (Illyasviel von Einzbern)
113. Caster (Leonardo da Vinci) (L w)
114. Caster (Marie Antoinette) (w)
115. Caster (Medea Lily) (w)
116. Caster (Mephistopheles)
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118. Caster (Nitocris) (w)
119. Caster (Paracelsus) (L w)
120. Caster (Queen of Sheba) (L)
121. Caster (Scheherazade) (L w)
122. Caster (Sieg)
123. Caster (Solomon) (L w)
124. Caster (Thomas Edison)
125. Caster (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart) (L)
126. Caster (Xuanzang) (w)
127. Caster (Zhuge Liang) (w)
128. Child-Gil (L)
129. Chloe von Einzbern
130. Dust of Osiris (T)
131. Enkidu (Fate) (L)
132. False Assassin
133. False Berserker
134. False Caster (Has Rank C Strength, not Rank E)
135. False Rider (w)
136. Foreigner (Abigail Williams)
137. Gilgamesh (Fate Series) (L)
138. Gilgamesh (Fate/Prototype) (L)
139. Goetia (L w | )
140. Illyasviel von Einzbern (Fate/Kaleid)
141. Julian Ainsworth (L)
142. Kama (Fate Series)
143. Kazuradrop (L)
144. King Hassan (L)
145. Kouma Kishima (T)
146. Lancer (Artoria Alter) (L)
147. Lancer (Artoria) (L)
148. Lancer (Brynhildr) (L)
149. Lancer (Ereshkigal) (L)
150. Lancer (Fate/Extra CCC) (L)
151. Lancer (Fate/Extra) (L)
152. Lancer (Fate/Prototype) (L)
153. Lancer (Fate/stay night) (L)
154. Lancer (Fate/Zero) (L)
155. Lancer (Fionn mac Cumhaill) (L)
156. Lancer (Gareth) (L)
157. Lancer (Hector) (L)
158. Lancer (Hōzōin Inshun) (L)
159. Lancer (Ibaraki-douji) (L)
160. Lancer (Jaguar Man) (L)
161. Lancer (Jeanne Alter Lily) (L)
162. Lancer (Kiyohime) (L)
163. Lancer (Leonidas)
164. Lancer (Li Shuwen)
165. Lancer (Medusa) (L)
166. Lancer (Minamoto no Raikou)
167. Lancer (Musashibou Benkei)
168. Lancer (Nagao Kagetora)
169. Lancer (Parvati)
170. Lancer (Romulus)
171. Lancer (Romulus-Quirinus) (L)
172. Lancer (Scáthach) (L)
173. Lancer (Tamamo-no-Mae)
174. Lancer of Black (Vlad III) (L)
175. Lancer of Red (Karna) (L)
176. Meltlilith (L)
177. Merem Solomon (L)
178. Michael Roa Valdamjong (T)
179. Miyu Edelfelt
180. Moon Cancer (Ganesha)
181. Night of Wallachia (T)
182. Nrvnqsr Chaos (T)
183. Passionlip (L)
184. Playable Archer (No Name) (L)
185. Playable Caster (Tamamo-no-Mae) (L)
186. Playable Saber (Nero) (L)
187. Rider (Alexander) (L)
188. Rider (Anne Bonny and Mary Read) (L)
189. Rider (Artoria Alter) (L)
190. Rider (Artoria Santa Alter) (L)
191. Rider (Bartholomew Roberts) (L)
192. Rider (Boudica) (L)
193. Rider (Christopher Columbus) (L)
194. Rider (Edward Teach)
195. Rider (Fate/Extra) (L)
196. Rider (Fate/stay night) (L)
197. Rider (Fate/Zero) (L)
198. Rider (Ivan the Terrible) ( | )
199. Rider (Mandricardo) (L)
200. Rider (Marie Antoinette)
201. Rider (Medb)
202. Rider (Mordred) (L)
203. Rider (Ozymandias) (L)
204. Rider (Red Hare) (L)
205. Rider (Saint George) (L)
206. Rider (Saint Martha) (L)
207. Rider (Sakamoto Ryouma) (L)
208. Rider (Sakata Kintoki) (L)
209. Rider (Ushiwakamaru) (L)
210. Rider of Black (Astolfo) (L)
211. Rider of Red (Achilles) (L)
212. Rin Tohsaka (Fate/Extra Last Encore) (L)
213. Ruler (Artoria) (L)
214. Ruler (Fate/Apocrypha) (L)
215. Ruler (Karl der Große) (L)
216. Ruler (Saint Martha)
217. Ruler (Sherlock Holmes) (L)
218. Saber (Astolfo) (L)
219. Saber (Attila) (L)
220. Saber (Bedivere) (L)
221. Saber (Beni-enma) (L)
222. Saber (Caesar) (L)
223. Saber (Chevalier d'Eon) (L)
224. Saber (Diarmuid Ua Duibhne) (L)
225. Saber (Elizabeth Báthory Brave) (L)
226. Saber (Fate/Prototype) (L)
227. Saber (Fate/stay night) (L)
228. Saber (Fergus mac Róich) (L)
229. Saber (Frankenstein's Monster) (L)
230. Saber (Gao Changgong) (L)
231. Saber (Gawain) (L)
232. Saber (Gilles de Rais) (L)
233. Saber (Jason) (L)
234. Saber (Lakshmibai) (L)
235. Saber (Lancelot) (L)
236. Saber (Musashi Miyamoto) (L)
237. Saber (Nero Bride) (L)
238. Saber (Okita Souji) (L)
239. Saber (Rama) (L)
240. Saber (Richard I) (L)
241. Saber (Senji Muramasa) (L)
242. Saber (Shiki Ryougi) (L)
243. Saber (Sigurd) (L)
244. Saber (Toyotomi Hideyoshi)
245. Saber (Watanabe no Tsuna) (L)
246. Saber Alter (L)
247. Saber Lily (L)
248. Saber of Black (Siegfried) (L)
249. Saber of Red (Mordred) (L)
250. Sakura Matou (Fate/kaleid)
251. Saver (T | )
252. Shielder (L)
253. Shinji Matou (Fate/Kaleid)
254. Shirou Kotomine (L)
255. Sion Eltnam Atlasia ( | T)
256. Touko Aozaki (T)
257. True Archer (L)
258. True Caster (w)
259. True Rider (Hippolyta) (L)

(L) = Change Lifting Strength only (Tier change is already applied)
(T) = Change Tier only (Lifting Strength is irrelevant or unknown)
(w) = "Physically weak" Servant

While we are at it, we should apply the NP CRT. Servant (except the physically weak ones except in magic) are 6-C, NPs are 6-C+, and A+ and higher NPs are Low 6-B.

Lifting Strength: Class M {TBD}

Lifting Strength for weaker Servants: '''Class 5''' (Comparable to [[Caster (Anastasia)|Anastasia]] who is easily capable lifting people as large and heavy as [[Rider (Ivan the Terrible)|Ivan the Terrible]] overhead)

Also, I assumed that Dead Apostle don't scale in Lifting Strength, do they?

---

After we decide on Class K or Class M, I can start gradually working on them later, but if there are volunteers, we can divide the work to finish it faster.

 

[Regidian]

golden wind irl is apparently 100-150t irl so yeah should change to class K (happily i don't have begin the edit lol)

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So Martha's feat can easily be interpreted as a Class M feat if we use average train weight + average train speed, and she has Rank D Strength, so she would immediately scale to practically everybody. I think we should look into that.

Da Vinci: So, just to be clear, you're not in the tournament, right? Martha: That's right. I sort of forcefully entered the prelims with Tarasque as my partner, but unfortunately, I failed to qualify. What rotten luck. How could I have known a puppy would try to cross the tracks during the Train Attack event!? Well, I couldn't just let him get run over, could I? What self-respecting saint could!? I had no choice but to stop the train in its tracks! Mash: (Couldn't she have just grabbed the dog and run...?)

So this is a direct reference to Kinnikuman, where a competitor shoved a bullet train locomotive +805 m (distance from Tokyo station to Yūrakuchō), but notices that the train is about to collide with a puppy, he then rushes forward and stops the train in order to rescue the dog, but gets disqualified for touching the train a second time. So I believe we should use this scenario.

So the 500 Series bullet trains used in Japan weigh about 43 ton per car (39008.9 kg). I will assume the average speed for the bullet trains (320 km/h = 88.8889 m/s) since the shoved train easily blew past Yūrakuchō in what seems to be seconds and was speeding further ahead.
What is left is the time taken to stop the train; I'll use 1 second, 3 seconds, 5 seconds, 10 seconds, 20 seconds:

F = ma F1 = 39008.9 x 88.89/1 = 3467501.12 N = 353586.71 kgf [Class K] F3 = 39008.9 x 88.89/3 = 1155833.71 N = 117862.24 kgf [Class K] F5 = 39008.9 x 88.89/5 = 693500.22 N = 70717.34 kgf [Class 100] F10 = 39008.9 x 88.89/10 = 346750.11 N = 35358.67 kgf [Class 50] F20 = 39008.9 x 88.89/20 = 173375.06 N = 17679.34 kgf [Class 25]

Next I'll try time taken by the shoved locomotive to reach 805 m as a variable:

F = ma F5 = 39008.9 x 805/5 = 6280432.9 N = 640425.93 kgf [Class K] F10 = 39008.9 x 805/10 = 3140216.45 N = 320212.96 kgf [Class K] F30 = 39008.9 x 805/30 = 1046738.82 N = 106737.65 kgf [Class K] F60 = 39008.9 x 805/60 = 523369.41 N = 53368.83 kgf [Class 100] F120 = 39008.9 x 805/120 = 261684.70 N = 26684.41 kgf [Class 50]

Not bad for someone who specializes in sending oversized dragons/turtles flying.

This is a preliminary event, which means that various other Servant should've shoved the bullet train even further.
If a Class K end is reasonable, we would have Martha + Achilles + Asterios for Class K support.

So the justification would be:

Short Version: '''Class K''' (Comparable to [[Rider (Saint Martha)|Martha]], [[Rider of Red (Achilles)|Achilles]], and [[Berserker (Asterios)|Asterios]]) Long Version: '''Class K''' (Comparable to [[Rider (Saint Martha)|Martha]] who stopped a speeding train, [[Rider of Red (Achilles)|Achilles]] who stopped a rolling 300 ton jumbo jet, and [[Berserker (Asterios)|Asterios]] who swam carrying the 100-150 ton Golden Hind galleon while injured)

 

[Epiccheev]

Just to make sure, but it's rider Martha, right?
Because the Ruler one is B+ in strength.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Yep, the D Rank Strength Rider Martha, as shown in the video with the thumbnail that has the Durandal-lookalike.