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Fairy Tail: Speed Revisions

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DragonGamerZ913 said:
Then why can't others comparable to her be at that level?
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Because the Sub-Relativistic+ value comes from Dragon Force being 4x Gajeel’s Base

But looking over it all, yeah, Erza wouldn’t get the likely Sub-Relativistic+, she is just Sub-Relativistic
 
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Because the Sub-Relativistic+ value comes from Dragon Force being 4x Gajeel’s Base

But looking over it all, yeah, Erza wouldn’t get the likely Sub-Relativistic+, she is just Sub-Relativistic
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Your forgetting that Erza blitzed both Partial END Natsu and Second Devil Slayer Mark Gray, both of which are faster than Spriggan tier characters. Which is actually an even better feat than people like DF Gajeel who with a 4x amp in speed only partially blitzed Bloodman.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure many people would agree with me on this, but I'd give her Sub-Rel+ with her Strongest Armors. All her feats of stuff like stopping END and Gray, as well as keeping up with DF Wendy, were all done in one of her strongest armors (most notably Clear Heart Clothing).
 
Her Strongest Armors don’t buff speed tho, they only buff Attack and Defense, the only Armor that explicitly buffs speed is Flight Armor

That’s why a Sub-Rel to Likely Sub-Rel+ rating IMO is best for her

Besides, we have no confirmation END Natsu and Devil Slayer Gray scale to Gajeel in Speed, so best we can give them is “Likely Sub-Relativistic+”
 
Isn’t clear heart clothing just regular cloth it doesn’t add any special properties or anything if I remember correctly
 
I get that argument and that's why I felt people would disagree, but frankly, I think it makes the most sense. In her standard armors, she's consistently shown as comparable to Natsu or Gray, but in her Strongest Armors, she's able to keep up with DF Wendy and stop END and 2nd Devil Slayer Mark Gray. She's clearly performing faster feats in her Strongest Armors.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Her Strongest Armors don’t buff speed tho, they only buff Attack and Defense, the only Armor that explicitly buffs speed is Flight Armor

That’s why a Sub-Rel to Likely Sub-Rel+ rating IMO is best for her

Besides, we have no confirmation END Natsu and Devil Slayer Gray scale to Gajeel in Speed, so best we can give them is “Likely Sub-Relativistic+”
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You're sort of missing the point, DF Gajeel Blitzed a Spriggan Tier Character, Erza however Blitzed someone faster than a spriggan tier character. She has the better feats here and thus would scale to Gajeel.
 
What makes it so that in general she isn’t faster than Natsu and Gray, I don’t remember them being equal in speed, the fact she can keep up with their transformations speed wise would make giving her the likely Sub-Relativistic+ rating far more validity
 
I'm pretty sure throughout the Alvarez arc, she's been shown as either comparable to them or to someone comparable to them (i.e. being comparable to Ajeel, who is comparable to Natsu)
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
I'm pretty sure throughout the Alvarez arc, she's been shown as either comparable to them or to someone comparable to them (i.e. being comparable to Ajeel, who is comparable to Natsu)
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Erza was clearly holding back at the start of her fight with Ajeel. This is pretty clearly shown once she goes into her Wind god armor and starts landing hit after hit without Ajeel even being able to react to her attacks while she is nullifying all of his attacks effortlessly and thus had to resort to sand world to stand a chance.
 
Ajeel was fighting back and keeping up speed-wise. The only reason he wasn't able to harm her was because she was nullifying his attacks due to having an advantage by using water and wind.
 
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Erza was clearly holding back at the start of her fight with Ajeel. This is pretty clearly shown once she goes into her Wind god armor and starts landing hit after hit without Ajeel even being able to react to her attacks while she is nullifying all of his attacks effortlessly and thus had to resort to sand world to stand a chance.
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This, I just think Erza should be “At least Sub-Relativistic, likely Sub-Relativistic+” none of her strongest armors explicitly boost speed, with Clear Heart Cloth specifically only really amping attack power, this isn’t like AP and Durability, where everyone scales linearly, we can’t just assume Erza gets speed boosts equal to the Dragon Force Multiplier with her Strongest Armors cause that would be most satisfying
 
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Why would Erza hold back when she knows how dangerous Ajeel can be?

That aside, we’re forgetting something important: Nebaru. In DF, he would be fully 17.84% SoL for outspeeding a DF Wendy that enchanted herself to be 2x faster than normal, and he’d be even faster when Dragonized.

Some people would definitely scale above this instead of being baseline Relativistic, likely higher.
 
She used Deus Eques as well, I’m pretty sure.

Edit: Just got confirmation that she didn’t. I don’t necessarily agree with Erza’s speed rating but I guess it’s the best we can do, so this seems fine.
 
Base Irene and Human Acnologia aren't normal humans tho, so we can't say for sure that their Dragon Forms give the same increase in speed, it's not like Nebaru where we clearly see him go from Base to Dragon Force to Dragonization to Full Dragon Form

Acnologia and Irene are pretty much Dragons in Human Form, so therefore I'm not giving them the speed multiplier, I'm being as conservative as possible with the multipliers
 
I'm just saying that since Irene and Acnologia are already Full Dragons just with an Artificial Human Form, we can't assume their Dragon Form's give them the 4x Speed Amp since they are pretty much just removing the appearance of being Human and gaining an unquantifiable boost, it's not the same as with Nebaru, who was Full Human and then transformed from his Base to a Dragon

Zeref pretty much said that Irene is a Human in appearance only, she's still a Dragon
 
Again I gotta agree with Mitch

like Zeref said he had no idea on how to change Irene back into a human so once a dragon slayer becomes a dragon that’s it they don’t change back into an “actual” human
 
Imma disagree on only their appearances changing. We know that transforming alters your stats like with Charle getting a boost to not only her physicals but also her magic and we see Irene one shot and blitz Erza once she becomes a dragon. Even Merc who should still be a dragon after losing his power remains a human meaning the transformations aren’t simply cosmetic but affect their actual stats.
 
Oh I agree they get an increase, it just would be unquantifiable because unlike Nebaru, they wouldn't be going from Base Human Form to Dragon Force, they're going from an Artificial Human Form to a Full Dragon Form, in fact I am quite convinced that Acnologia's Human Form is just a Permanent Dragon Force and that's what the Blue Marks on his body are, so we cannot confirm whether or not the difference in speed between their Artificial Human Form and Full Dragon Form is 4x, once again, I am being extremely conservative with the Multipliers, I don't want to wank or highball
 
so would the x793 characters like FDKM Natsu and DF Wendy scale to 10% sol given Wendy would upscale from her base self to 2.5% sol.
 
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so would the x793 characters like FDKM Natsu and DF Wendy scale to 10% sol given Wendy would upscale from her base self to 2.5% sol.
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I would say that’s fair and reasonable, but maybe add a Likely just to be safe
 
We haven’t seen her do much yet so not now.

Also, how do we handle FDKM Natsu? I think he should be comparable to DF Wendy.
 
FDKM Natsu should be comparable to DF Wendy and DF Gajeel, But it’s not 100% Confirmed
 
His E.N.D. Form should be comparable to his FDKM, and his E.N.D. Form blitzed Dimaria with little difficulty, which was even better than what DF Wendy could do
 
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On top of my belief that FDKM Natsu should scale to DF Wendy, I also think the god tiers should fully take the high-end of the two Relativistic values, so they’d be fully 17.84% SoL. This is because of how significantly above base Irene they are.
 
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