Fairy Tail - Magic possible weakness

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

What a downplay.

> Calling it downplay instead of actually joining the thread and actually contributing something.


Classy. Take a lesson from the two users above who are maintaining both respect and aren't throwing around accusations.

 

[1997KD]

Atlash flame hinself said that, his hellfire can burn magic, it's atlash flame fire property, lowball are not going to help reread series again

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I can't take you seriously when you said magic in FT is weak to high temperature, which is not true.

Like seriously, Existence Erasure, Time, Death, Soul. All of this things aren't not gonna affected by heat alone. Calling you a downplay is undestandable.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

It is whenever there's multiple showing of that, Homu it's almost like you didn't bother taking a look at the scans I've posted along with the proof and instead of reading them you just shouted nonsense and Ad Hominem. And no, there's Magic behind EE, Time, and Death Magic. Which can be burnt via high heat or Natsu's magic as AnonymousBlank is stating. You haven't even bothered to counter my scans so as far as I'm aware your opinion in this thread is meaningless especially whenever you wanna act like that.


So no, calling me a downplayer isn't understandable, and it's actually pretty petty and childish if anything, especially if you can't even add anything or contribute anything to this thread. And if you aren't going to you can just unfollow the thread.

 

[1997KD]

Kaiser magic have soul crt is closed cause it upgrade the verse with some statement, now some ppl want to downgrade the verse ln some statementƒñö

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Kaiser magic have soul crt is closed cause it upgrade the verse with some statement, now some ppl want to downgrade the verse ln some statementƒñö

That was closed due to hyperbole, this clearly isn't a hyperbole.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Magic is just the source of pretty much anything within FT universe. The effect are totally different from each other.

Existence Erasure magic: Type of Magic that will erase thing on contact. An ordinary flame, no matter how hot it is would be extinguished. But Ntsu's can

Time Magic: Type of magic that can affect something as abstract as time (Dimaria Time Stop and Zeref time reversal). An ordinary flame, no matter how hot it is again, cannot hope to affect it since it is abstract. Again, Natsu's can.

Seriously, it is not a rocket science.

 

[1997KD]

That was closed due to hyperbole, this clearly isn't a hyperbole.

That's was not a hyperbole, it was based on franmelth statememt.

But it's cleary a downplay

It's his hellfire flame property which can burn magic

 

[1997KD]

If natsu can burn magic why his flame get freezed by invel? Or by gray? His flame can burn magic according to you, then why it's not just burm away invel magic

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

1: That isn't true especially whenever you look at how things work in the verse. Natsu's fire can become solid, real fire doesn't become solid. Stings Light Bends, Zeros Existence Erasure is something that's a side effect of GZ. The ghosts grab onto you and erase you from existence but there's still magic behind them. Mard Geers EE is a side effect of MM, it isn't Abstract. That's 100% wank from you.


2: Again, this is wank. Zeref's time manipulation isn't abstract nor can Natsu effect something that's abstract. He's effecting and burning the magic behind Zeref's magic.


Series, it's not a rocket science. You tell me I'm downplaying but you wanna sit here and wank and say Natsu can effect something that's abstract.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

If natsu can burn magic why his flame get freezed by invel? Or by gray? His flame can burn magic according to you, then why it's not just burm away invel magic

Because Invel's ice is cold enough to freeze Natsu's flames. Pretty simple actually.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Rin I said Natsu specifically can burn magic with his flames. I never said it was due to the temperature. The only two beings in the verse to burn magic are Natsu and Atlas Flame, both of whom are Fire Dragon Slayers. If a normal fire user burnt magic and it wasn't done through sheer AP, you'd have a case but as it stands, all of this just means FDSM in general can burn magic which is an upgrade for the users of it. Power null for Igneel, Atlas Flame and God Serena seems pretty nice.

This thread is literally an upgrade or Atlas Flame just over powered the spells with his passive flames.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Hm then I'm fine with it being AP based but I'm very skeptical on this actually being a form of power null given how it doesn't work on other magic.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

If natsu can burn magic why his flame get freezed by invel? Or by gray? His flame can burn magic according to you, then why it's not just burm away invel magic

Because Invel's ice is cold enough to freeze Natsu's flames. Pretty simple actually.

But Invel's ice is made of Magic and yet you said magic weak to heat.

You're contradicting yourself.

Also, never said the magic itself is abstract. I said time is Abstract. And Natsu and Zeref can affects it, not directly in Natsu's case.

 

[1997KD]

1: you are forgetting that natsu is not using normal candle or wood to make fire, he is using fire DSM. And whole GZ caue EE it's nit a side effect of something

2:why zeref time manipulation isn't abstract, cause it ft and you don't like it?

You are assuming that all fire user use normal fire magic, it's not like if you gather so much candle and start a fire now you can burn magic, the op have no point to start it, idk why it drag to long.

I never see anyone making a crt that naruto character are weak to cutting attack or dbz character are weak to magic to "stun gun"

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I'm gonna go ahead and ignore 1997KD since it's clear he's using Ad Hominem and Golden Mean Fallacies.


@Homu


Again, it would be due to Invel being able to freeze fire, his ice is colder than Natsu's fire is hot.


And again, Natsu isn't burning time itself, he's burning magic.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Hm then I'm fine with it being AP based but I'm very skeptical on this actually being a form of power null given how it doesn't work on other magic.

Are you referring to the examples of Natsu burning some magic but not others?

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Correct.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Doubt it's colder since Natsi was able to break away sec later.

And Natsu burning magic that can affects time itself to prevent Zeref to revese his body back. That is why I said he affects time, but not directly.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Pretty sure we gave Natsu limited Power Null because of this. Regardless, it definitely can't be an AP difference since Natsu is always equal or below whoever's magic he burns away.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Pretty sure we gave Natsu limited Power Null because of this. Regardless, it definitely can't be an AP difference since Natsu is always equal or below whoever's magic he burns away.

Isn't it because he only power nulls hax? He's never burned away a normal attack.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Been a while since the thread and my memory isn't the best anyway but that could very well be it.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Natsu's case is weird. He definitely has no intention to burn hax based attack, but it seems works consistently.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I think it depends on how the hax works. I don't think he'd be able to burn away something that's intangible or doesn't have a projectile. Also wouldn't this only apply to Magic based abilities since that's how his Power Null works?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Wow, this is an absolute downplay, calling magic weak to high temperatures to get rid of Natsu's Power Null is BS and is near baseless, he burned Existence Erasure and Time, not to mention other things, saying this only worked because Magic is weak to fire is Bull and everyone knows it

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Not really, FT Magic = the actual element/thing. There's no difference from him being able to burn away Zero's move and a Hakai.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I've already gone over with with Homu. He burns the magic he doesn't burn time itself or Existence Erasure. And aside from that I think that's actually the only thing he's burned before, also stop being aggressive, thank you.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Zeref literally says that he's burning time.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Not really, FT Magic = the actual element/thing. There's no difference from him being able to burn away Zero's move and a Hakai.

That's more a case by case basis. Not everything in FT is the actual thing and that's clear. And Hakai doesn't have a projectile so that's one that he can't burn, GZ sends a rush of demons or whatever you wanna call them and erase you.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Time Magic yes. Key word magic.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

That's more a case by case basis. Not everything in FT is the actual thing and that's clear. And Hakai doesn't have a projectile so that's one that he can't burn, GZ sends a rush of demons or whatever you wanna call them and erase you.

Hakai can be a projectile, armor, something that spawns on the enemy. Natsu could burn through a projectile or armor of it.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

The Hakai is also low 2-C / 3-A so that's not a good example. Although I doubt it would work on the armor variant since that erases whatever it touches then you'd have NLF vs NLF.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Time Magic yes. Key word magic.

Magic that affect time. Key words affects time.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It's existence erasure, it doesn't have a tier. Also, all Hakais erase what they touch, that's why it's EE. This is derailing though, my bad.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Magic that affect time. Key words affects time.


Again, Zeref isn't manipulating time itself he has a magic that gives him time manipulation. And Natsu can burn the Magic, not time.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

It's existence erasure, it doesn't have a tier. Also, all Hakais erase what they touch, that's why it's EE. This is derailing though, my bad.

To assume it works on a attack that's infinitely above Natsu is a massive NLF. And it's cool, we've already reached a conclusion at this point.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Again, Zeref isn't manipulating time itself he has a magic that gives him time manipulation. And Natsu can burn the Magic, not time.

>Zeref isn't manipulating time but has magic that can do that.

I-I can't....I just....

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It's Ok Homu, I'm here for yu

 

[Ozy_the_God-King]

I don't like Natsu because of his character and he has got a lot of wank that its even so annoying to keep up with, this guy never runs out of magical energy and if you watch and read all the manga and anime you can clearly see it.

There are some cases that are ridiculous for him not to survive and with plot armor he evaded it. It seems that fairy tail should be about the main characters especially Lucy since she is the one that starts with beginning of fairy tail adventure. However, if you dive deep its always been about Natsu and the rest are disregarded.

I feel like the Natsu wank should be toned down a little bit that's all and he need to think a little plus he gets really upset for something that isn't all that major. For example in the new arc he got all serious about how he was going to kill the dragons without going in depth about why they must be killed. Without dragon power he would be another experiment of zerefs just throwing it out there.