Fairy Tail - Magic possible weakness

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Time manipulation done through Magic.


Is that too hard for you to understand? Like I'm genuinely curious since it's pretty straight forward.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

He controls time through magic, the time is not magic, and Natsu burned it, therefore Limited Power Null and nothing changes to his profile

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

That is like saying Luffy isn't manipulating his body because he's doing that through his devil fruit power and Sasuke isn't using illusion because he has sharingan to do that.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Golden Mean Fallacies. Luffy's Devil Fruit effects his DNA and gave him body control, and in Naruto you don't need a Sharigan to use illusions or Genjutus.


@Mitch


I never said it was? Dude seriously quit being so defensive.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Dude if you just came here to complain about Natsu's character there are two discussion threads you can come to.

Here


Or here

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm sorry, it's late and I'm tired and there are 3 Natsu CRT threads along with other stuff, I apologize for being rude

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Golden Mean Fallacies. Luffy's Devil Fruit effects his DNA and gave him body control, and in Naruto you don't need a Sharigan to use illusions or Genjutus.


@Mitch


I never said it was? Dude seriously quit being so defensive.

Same thing with Zeref Magic, it is part of him when he obtained them. And you're saying he isn't manipulating time.

Also, I mention Sasuke, not Naruto.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I'm not saying he isn't manipulating time, I'm saying it's done through his magic which Natsu can burn. Natsu can burn magic itself. Homu read the arguments more carefully. And again that doesn't matter, those arguments don't support yours in the slightest due to being Fallacies.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

But Zeref didn't say he was burning just the magic, he was also burning Time itself and was destroying it

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Because that's his magic, Natsu doesn't effect temporal abilities itself, he's burning the magic itself which you can clearly see based on the visuals on the panel. Zeref attacks him with a Time Magic based attack, Natsu attacks with his fire, the fire burns his attack.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

But the magic is time.

 

[1997KD]

>cleary ignore character statement >use your oen headcanon to lowball

Jiren overpower hit time cage so jiren is not overpowering time he is overpowering hit ki? That's some good non-sense it see their

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

>cleary ignore character statement >use your oen headcanon to lowball

Jiren overpower hit time cage so jiren is not overpowering time he is overpowering hit ki? That's some good non-sense it see their

You really don't have anything to contribute here do you?


Zeref has time Magic, he isn't manipulating time itself without anything involved. Destroy the magic itself and boom, no time magic. And last I checked time isn't something that's tangible, Natsu was burning the magic not time itself

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

This is Anime and Manga, Time can be whatever the plot needs it to be, I mean The Space Between Time is basically a pocket Dimension filled with Jumbled Time

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Time Magic is manipulating time.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

This is Anime and Manga, Time can be whatever the plot needs it to be, I mean The Space Between Time is basically a pocket Dimension filled with Jumbled Time

Moot point, it being fiction doesn't mean anything. Time isn't something you can just touch and interact with physically. This is the same argument made to try to get around our Light rules.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Non Physical Interaction tho

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Time Magic is manipulating time.

For people like Dimaria and Zeref's time stop and reversal yes. But his time based attacks Cleary have magic behind it and we see Natsu visibly burning that magic.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

But there isn't a difference between those 2. It's still manipulation of time.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

There's very much a difference, again Natsu burns the magic itself away just like Atlas does. Atlas Flame even says he's burning magic not the elements themselves.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The reason magic and the name of the thing are used so interchangeably is because they are the same thing. DiMaria stopping time is still time manipulation. It being magic doesn't change the fact that it's the same ability.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

I've already explained how Dimaria is different. Shes stopping time, she isn't attacking you with a ball of time magic.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I know, I'm saying there isn't a difference there.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I've already explained how Dimaria is different. Shes stopping time, she isn't attacking you with a ball of time magic.

And Zeref reverse time, no energy no anything. how is that different?

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

And Zeref reverse time, no energy no anything. how is that different?


It's almost like you've been completely ignoring things here. We clearly see Magic coming from Zeref's attack unlike whenever he reverses time. Not to mention Zeref's statement shouldn't be taken seriously, he contraindics himself twice in the same sentence by saying his magic is burning and that time itself is burning. Time itself clearly wasn't what was burning, his magic is what was burning. Again look at the visuals his magic is burning.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You're separating magic and the ability. It's not a contradiction because they are the same thing. You're using time not being touchable as a reason for it not being time wrapped around his fist but it's the same thing when he uses Death Magic. You know how when Rouge uses an attack, it's intangible shadows right? Rouge can turn into shadows but he can also attack people with them. Just because he is hitting someone with a shadow doesn't mean what he's hitting them with isn't shadows anymore. Plenty of people use intangible weapons in fiction. It's the same concept with Zeref and his time manipulation just a bit more complicated.

 

[Elizhaa]

I disagreed with the OP. The oppositions' points make sense and are well supported.

Also, saying that fire magic is similar to normal fire is a False analogy since they have so many different properties

Using this same point after it is debunked is Argumentum ad nauseum, or argument from repetitio which is an invalid argument.

 

[1997KD]

@nedge then we should close it?

 

[Elizhaa]

I think yes because so far only OP supports the Proposal while everyone else, supporters and knowledgeable members, rejected it with their rebuttals supported by evidence.

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this then.