Explanation why GER beats Goku

[HyperboleManipulation]

I will explain why GER beats Goku.

Most of you guys may think, it is inconclusive.

But it is not.

We all know, GER has infinite speed.

So, he blitz Goku. Goku is immobile against him at full speed.

You may ask, then how GER will kill Goku? To put in a infinite dead loop, you need to kill the opponent first.

Yes, I know. I won't use Return to Zero abilities to kill Goku, you can relax.

You all forget GER's other abilities.

There is ability called "Age Manipulation".

Age Manipulation (By injecting life into living things he can force them to grow until they exhaust their life spans)

To do this hax, you need to grab or touch the living thing. (You can see in the link.)

GER can touch easily Goku, since Goku is immobile against him at full speed. Since Goku does not have immortality or resistance/immunity. He will die. (He don't have anything to do, according to feats.)

GER would force him to grow until his life span ends. He don't need to use his Return to Zero abilities. No need to use infinite dead loop, GER can just kill Goku like that.

 

[justabattlerfan]

Seems you are right

 

[manu_zarri]

the only wrong point is: ger isn't infinite, return to zero is (on our wiki obviously)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

GER is only infinite with the return to zero tho, his regular speed is only Massively FTL

 

[manu_zarri]

GER is only infinite with the return to zero tho, his regular speed is only Massively FTL

thechnically speaking

Massively FTL, likely Higher

 

[sanicspood]

I will explain why GER beats Goku.

Most of you guys may think, it is inconclusive.

But it is not.

We all know, GER has infinite speed.

So, he blitz Goku. Goku is immobile against him at full speed.

You may ask, then how GER will kill Goku? To put in a infinite dead loop, you need to kill the opponent first.

Yes, I know. I won't use Return to Zero abilities to kill Goku, you can relax.

You all forget GER's other abilities.

There is ability called "Age Manipulation".

Age Manipulation (By injecting life into living things he can force them to grow until they exhaust their life spans)

To do this hax, you need to grab or touch the living thing. (You can see in the link.)

GER can touch easily Goku, since Goku is immobile against him at full speed. Since Goku does not have immortality or resistance/immunity. He will die. (He don't have anything to do, according to feats.)

GER would force him to grow until his life span ends. He don't need to use his Return to Zero abilities. No need to use infinite dead loop, GER can just kill Goku like that.

ok

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

the only wrong point is: ger isn't infinite, return to zero is (on our wiki obviously)

Rtz is automatic tho

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

GER is only infinite with the return to zero tho, his regular speed is only Massively FTL

GER is only infinite with the return to zero tho, his regular speed is only Massively FTL

Rtz is automatic

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Infinite still doesn't scale to GER's base speed tho

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

Infinite still doesn't scale to GER's base speed tho

Tag admin or something, i dont think so

 

[manu_zarri]

Rtz is automatic tho

in our wiki, return to zero isn't just passive or automatic (meaning it's baseline infinite) but it's more than it, rtz can be both automatic and not, and his rtz speed above the baseline (to unqunatificable according to stand stats)

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Just go ask them on their message walls, or make a CRT.

 

[Rikimarox2]

We have an entire thread about it. GER is not infinite speed, only RtZ is.

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

We have an entire thread about it. GER is not infinite speed, only RtZ is.

For example?

 

[manu_zarri]

Tag admin or something, i dont think so

i mean we have his "official" profile

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Here is the thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/gers-speed-is-outdated.110598/

 

[manu_zarri]

Here is the thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/gers-speed-is-outdated.110598/

I mean, the justification could be read directly on the profile. those are 4 pages of theard, it would be a bit of a waste of time

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

Here is the thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/gers-speed-is-outdated.110598/

That was when timeless void scales you to infinite speed

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That was when timeless void scales to you infinite speed

Um, that thread was oily a few months ago, we stopped scaling timeless voids to infinite speed years ago

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

Um, that thread was oily a few months ago, we stopped scaling timeless voids to infinite speed years ago

Infinite with Gold Experience Requiem (Its Return to Zero worked within erased time, later GER was able to move and even talk)"

 

[manu_zarri]

Infinite with Gold Experience Requiem (Its Return to Zero worked within erased time, later GER was able to move and even talk)"

that's not in our current profile.

that's our current profile speed

"At least Massively FTL, likely higher physically (Is the evolved form of Gold Experience, keeping its powers and powering up its stats. While near Diavolo and in his sight, managed to break free of its Gold Experience "shell" and move to another location without being noticed before King Crimson could finish it off. Flicked a pebble at such speeds that Diavolo couldn't perceive the attack, barely managing to avoid the brunt of it. Mista claimed he couldn't really see or understand what Giorno did to Diavolo in reference to the beatdown that defeated him, if maybe in part), Infinite for its Return to Zero (Ranked "None" in Speed on its Stand stats, those being referenced in the JOJO-A-GO!GO! guidebook as it stated that its ability "is impossible to compare with the existing Stand(s) and measuring rod(s)"; By comparison, Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven are ranked "∞" on their speed, with the latter having briefly been able to achieve infinite speed [See note 4 below])"

Note 4: On regards to the speed of GER's Return to Zero;

• Stand stats mostly refer to a Stand's general abilities instead of its physicality, hence the JOJO-A-GO!-GO! refers to the board as GER's ability being what can't be compared. This is why specific physical stats are sometimes portrayed as abilities Stands have despite how they only have "one ability"/power each.
• Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven don't simply have infinite speed, at least the latter can achieve it under some conditions met while the former can potentially do the same. GER upscales to their maximum speed as Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven's stats portray that as their rank instead their others lesser speeds shown.
• The Return to Zero working within Time Erase doesn't qualify as a feat of infinite speed (See note 4 in the Speed page), but the fact that it did so despite only Diavolo being able to act there supports the idea of GER's ability having a superiority over that of other Stands.

Note 4 of speed page:

Note 4:

Timeless Voids, i.e. areas within a setting that lack time or exist outside of the flow of time, cannot be used to grant Infinite speed. One might be tempted to apply Speed = Distance/Time and say that time equals 0 in this situation, thus moving through this type of void should result in Infinite speed. However, in a Timeless Void, time does not exist, making Time = Not Applicable.

So in short, Time = Nonexistent or Not Applicable and Distance/Time = Undefined and cannot be determined under these conditions.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Infinite with Gold Experience Requiem (Its Return to Zero worked within erased time, later GER was able to move and even talk)"

The CRT is talking about why that's wrong, did you even read it?

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

that's not in our current profile.

that's our current profile speed

"At least Massively FTL, likely higher physically (Is the evolved form of Gold Experience, keeping its powers and powering up its stats. While near Diavolo and in his sight, managed to break free of its Gold Experience "shell" and move to another location without being noticed before King Crimson could finish it off. Flicked a pebble at such speeds that Diavolo couldn't perceive the attack, barely managing to avoid the brunt of it. Mista claimed he couldn't really see or understand what Giorno did to Diavolo in reference to the beatdown that defeated him, if maybe in part), Infinite for its Return to Zero (Ranked "None" in Speed on its Stand stats, those being referenced in the JOJO-A-GO!GO! guidebook as it stated that its ability "is impossible to compare with the existing Stand(s) and measuring rod(s)"; By comparison, Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven are ranked "∞" on their speed, with the latter having briefly been able to achieve infinite speed [See note 4 below])"

Note 4: On regards to the speed of GER's Return to Zero;

• Stand stats mostly refer to a Stand's general abilities instead of its physicality, hence the JOJO-A-GO!-GO! refers to the board as GER's ability being what can't be compared. This is why specific physical stats are sometimes portrayed as abilities Stands have despite how they only have "one ability"/power each.
• Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven don't simply have infinite speed, at least the latter can achieve it under some conditions met while the former can potentially do the same. GER upscales to their maximum speed as Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven's stats portray that as their rank instead their others lesser speeds shown.
• The Return to Zero working within Time Erase doesn't qualify as a feat of infinite speed (See note 4 in the Speed page), but the fact that it did so despite only Diavolo being able to act there supports the idea of GER's ability having a superiority over that of other Stands.

I know bro, thats the reason they opened that CRY

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

The CRT is talking about why that's wrong, did you even read it?

Yes, because of timeless voids does not scales you to infinite scale. I am talking about jojo guide book statement

 

[manu_zarri]

I know bro, thats the reason they opened that CRY

the CRT was for downgrade his old infinite speed justification

they wanted to downgrade this justification:
"Infinite with Gold Experience Requiem (Its Return to Zero worked within erased time, later GER was able to move and even talk)"
and they did.

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

The CRT is talking about why that's wrong, did you even read it?

Ranked "None" in Speed on its Stand stats, those being referenced in the JOJO-A-GO!GO! guidebook as it stated that its ability "is impossible to compare with the existing Stand(s) and measuring rod(s)"; By comparison, Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven are ranked "∞" on their speed, with the latter having briefly been able to achieve infinite speed

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

the CRT was for downgrade his old infinite speed justification

they wanted to downgrade this justification:
"Infinite with Gold Experience Requiem (Its Return to Zero worked within erased time, later GER was able to move and even talk)"
and they did.

Yes i know, i was talking about that too

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

Ranked "None" in Speed on its Stand stats, those being referenced in the JOJO-A-GO!GO! guidebook as it stated that its ability "is impossible to compare with the existing Stand(s) and measuring rod(s)"; By comparison, Notorious B.I.G. and Made in Heaven are ranked "∞" on their speed, with the latter having briefly been able to achieve infinite speed

And this is New justification

 

[manu_zarri]

Yes i know, i was talking about that too

yes as I said before timless void feats justification got removed and now we have this one

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

yes as I said before timless void feats justification got removed and now we have this one

Yeah i know so Whats wrong with that

 

[manu_zarri]

Yeah i know so Whats wrong with that

Nothing.

we are just saying infinite speed is only for return to zero and ger physically is MFTL, likely higher

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

Nothing.

we are just saying infinite speed is only for return to zero and ger physically is MFTL, likely higher

Like cant he activate rtz and move in infinite speed?

 

[manu_zarri]

Like cant he activate rtz and move in infinite speed?

that's not how it works, return to zero is infinite speed. GER is still MFTL

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

that's not how it works, return to zero is infinite speed. GER is still MFTL

Dude rtz is ability...

 

[manu_zarri]

Dude rtz is ability...

yes, i know, it could souns weird. but they gived return to zero infinite speed (i was in the CRT) because it qualify as reaction and attack speed

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

yes, i know, it could souns weird. but they gived return to zero infinite speed (i was in the CRT) because it qualify as reaction and attack speed

Damn, what about Willpower manipulation?

 

[manu_zarri]

Damn, what about Willpower manipulation?

I don't remember how it's treated, but for what i can tell, return to zero can shock a people or something (notice the moment with diavolo, he was shcocked he couldn't even move)

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

I don't remember how it's treated, but for what i can tell, return to zero can shock a people or something (notice the moment with diavolo, he was shcocked he couldn't even move)

It nullifies the attacker's will.

 

[manu_zarri]

It nullifies the attacker's will.

the problem is we never saw it in anime/manga, so we don't know how it works and we don't know if he use it in-character.

 

[HyperboleManipulation]

the problem is we never saw it in anime/manga, so we don't know how it works and we don't know if he use it in-character.

Stated as emphatic manipulation in Giorno's haxes